Nutbutter 181,255 35
02/15/2002 12:17 PM

Because the world has enough people already.

Feeble, Master of Spline Curves 32,400 15
02/15/2002 12:17 PM

I should have put this in the first post.



Some Gabbers may be infertile, and not through choice. Apologies if this thread is somewhat painful.

Feeble, Master of Spline Curves 32,400 15
02/15/2002 12:18 PM

Do you really think concern about overpopulation is the real driving factor?



And if the world has enough people already - do you intend to draw straws with Gavia to decide who'll leave to make room for Baby Butter-Immer?

The Dirty Vicar 17,446 13
02/15/2002 12:20 PM

I cannot have a child until I find a suitable brain!!!



Muuaahhahahahahah!!

Special Olympic Peon 6,076 13
02/15/2002 12:20 PM

It would seem to me that the most financially secure people enjoy their carefree lifestyle, which would change completely with the addition of a child.

Nutbutter 181,255 35
02/15/2002 12:22 PM

I honestly belive no couple should have more than two children.



After Amy and I got married we settled nicely into a life of havine a decent combined salary and the freedom to pretty much do what we want. Deciding to give that life up to have a child was not an easy descision to make. However, we have it in us to have a baby and I wouldn't want to one day regret not having one.



Also, I love kids, and I think we are at the point in our lives where we can responsibly care for one.



I can understand not wanting to have a child though.

Feeble, Master of Spline Curves 32,400 15
02/15/2002 12:22 PM

I think peon haShakespeare at least one good point. People are choosing vacations in the Caribbean over children.

Nutbutter 181,255 35
02/15/2002 12:23 PM

Is that such a bad thing?

Feeble, Master of Spline Curves 32,400 15
02/15/2002 12:23 PM

Two per person, or two per marriage?



If it's "two per marriage" I'd better go home now.

Nutbutter 181,255 35
02/15/2002 12:24 PM

In case I wasn't clear, we wanted a kid and thought long and hard about our descision.

Squeamish 38,986 14
02/15/2002 12:24 PM

C and I will have children one day.



If we are biologically able, we will have them together. If not, we will try and adopt.



We've only been married 2 years. While fairly financially secure, we're giving ourselvs a few years with just each other before we dedicate our lives to a child(ren).



That, and I'm still appealing the 1991 NATO resolution that bars me from reproducing.

Feeble, Master of Spline Curves 32,400 15
02/15/2002 12:25 PM

I'm NOT saying everyone should have children. That was not criticism.



However, everyone needs to understand these choices have implications for society. Values are transmitted to children by parents fairly successfully. The world of 2100 will depend a lot more on who has children in 2004 than on who is elected President the same year.

Nutbutter 181,255 35
02/15/2002 12:25 PM

One per person, or two per couple.



Under the right circumstances, I'm not against single mothers/fathers.

Trae (unemployed bitch) 156,785 17
02/15/2002 12:25 PM

Ok, you have a good point. BUT let me put this question out there:



You ask why the most financially secure, stable people avoid having children? Maybe it's because they are somewhat more intelligent and see the amount of work, time and money it takes into raising a child and aren't ready to do so??





Why to the most insecure, poor people KEEP having children despite their situations? My ex husband and his wife have 8 spawn between them, one being mentally deficiant. He only works one job and she only works part time.



Last I checked a condom is .25 at the local Save-O-Rama.

Gavia immer 803 13
02/15/2002 12:25 PM

Feeble, when people have enough to make their lives comfortable and aren't wanting for too much, it's fairly easy to fall into a lifestyle centered around themselves and what makes them happy. Throwing a child into the mix means giving up a large quantity of one's independence and freedom.



Considering the age of most of the gabbers, I'm not surprised that there are so few kids among us. I wasn't even married until I was 37. I don't know the average age on this board, but I assume from those I have met and reading the posts, that it is somewhere in the low thirties or upper twenties.



Now I will let the funny people take over. Ready, Post!

Squeamish 38,986 14
02/15/2002 12:26 PM

I think the kind of people that would choose a "lifestyle" over children aren't the kind of people that make great parents, enyway.

Special Olympic Peon 6,076 13
02/15/2002 12:26 PM

For Nutbutter.



Arr, matey.

Nutbutter 181,255 35
02/15/2002 12:28 PM

Trae is correct. The most ignorant people in the world do not fully understand the consequences of their actions. People who are more responsible and intelligent (and make a better salary as a result) tend to realize what having a kid means.

Nutbutter 181,255 35
02/15/2002 12:28 PM

Squeamish, having children is a "lifestyle" one chooses.

Squeamish 38,986 14
02/15/2002 12:32 PM

I should have said:



People who choose "a better lifestyle for themselves" over having children are the kind that probably wound't make good parents.

Trae (unemployed bitch) 156,785 17
02/15/2002 12:33 PM

See, now you have me on a rant. My ex's situation I'm sure is not unique. The other side of the coin is that these people who continue to breed unnecessarily end up forgetting whom it hurts the most: the kids.





Mine for instance never see's her Dad and his continual breeding tendancies keep me and her from getting the support we need.

Nutbutter 181,255 35
02/15/2002 12:33 PM

Why is that such a bad thing? People should pursue happiness however they choose. If that happiness comes from raising children or trekking in Nepal, so be it.



The key is, you should be able to do whatever you choose

without harming anybody.

postbear 10,158 13
02/15/2002 12:33 PM

i don't think fat people or conservatives should have children.



they'll only crank out fat, narrow-minded kids.

Nutbutter 181,255 35
02/15/2002 12:34 PM

Trae, why is your child with this man any more importaint than his other children.

Squeamish 38,986 14
02/15/2002 12:35 PM

>Why is that such a bad thing?



I don't think it is. In fact i think it's a good thing.

Squeamish 38,986 14
02/15/2002 12:37 PM

If fat conservatives didn't have kids, where would gay people come from?

The Dirty Vicar 17,446 13
02/15/2002 12:38 PM

Deep down, I know I wouldn't be a very good father. Whether this is true, or just something I've convinced myself to avoid the disappointment, I cannot recall. Maybe it's a little of both. I shun adoption; it is cowardice or is it prudent decision-making?



Either way, it's comforting not knowing the depth of my foibles.

postbear 10,158 13
02/15/2002 12:38 PM

we'd always be here.



i hope your kids menendez you.

Trae (unemployed bitch) 156,785 17
02/15/2002 12:38 PM

Trae, why is your child with this man any more importaint than his other children.





I'm not saying they are less important, Nuts. I'm just saying that the way we had her is we planned for it. Married for 4 years before we had her. We've been divorced 4 years and he's gotten 3 women pregnant and had 2 kids. I've had none.



I'm responsible for the child I had with him...not his other kids. If he can't take responsibility for his actions, then it's not my fault. My child and her well being, both mentally and financially is all that's important to me.

Nutbutter 181,255 35
02/15/2002 12:39 PM

But he is responsible for his other children as well as the one he had with yours.

aushie 5,580 13
02/15/2002 12:40 PM

The reason I don't have children or plan to have them is because I don't like children. I didn't like children when I was a child. Children don't like me, either.



Maybe that will change someday. I've changed a lot over the past 10 years, so ask me again when I'm 35.

Trae (unemployed bitch) 156,785 17
02/15/2002 12:41 PM

That's true. No argument. BUT he's not acting responsibly when he keeps bringing children into the world when he can't take care of the ones he already has.



It's those type of people that should NOT have kids. Having an active sperm count doesn't a father make.



Dig?

Crickette (make the hammering STOP!) 2,472 12
02/15/2002 12:41 PM

Nut, I think her point is not that he needs to be *more* responsible with her child, but that he isn't contributing at all.



If he can't support all his children, then he needs to stop fathering them.

Squeamish 38,986 14
02/15/2002 12:42 PM

>i hope your kids menendez you.



Wouldn't a more fitting punishment be for them to be homos (maybe even with each other, this is LA after all) and me to live a long time knowing it?

Nutbutter 181,255 35
02/15/2002 12:43 PM

OK, I dig.

postbear 10,158 13
02/15/2002 12:44 PM

i don't care about fitting punishments. i just want you to die.

Squeamish 38,986 14
02/15/2002 12:45 PM

Why?

Nutbutter 181,255 35
02/15/2002 12:45 PM

Because he's a bitter old man, just ignore him.

postbear 10,158 13
02/15/2002 12:48 PM

you're the bitter one, nutbuster. you're about to have a kid.



why do i want you to die? don't feel special. i want a lot of people to die.

+18Chickens 286,208 61
02/15/2002 12:49 PM

Yeah, but what can be done about the deadbeat dads? The first three foster kids we had were the first offspring of a guy that has 4 separate families in foster care by four different (stupid) women who just keep breeding his children.



Should he be sterilized for fathering illegitamate children?



Should the women be sterilized for stupidly opening their legs for someone they have no legal claim on?



</flamer bait>

aushie 5,580 13
02/15/2002 12:52 PM

No, because "there are so many loving homes out there who would just love to have a baby"*

























*terms and conditions apply

Special Olympic Peon 6,076 13
02/15/2002 12:52 PM

Chicken Little, that's what this is for.

Marilyn 12,471 13
02/15/2002 12:53 PM

Farber is preggers?



*laughs and cries

+18Chickens 286,208 61
02/15/2002 12:56 PM

Peon, this guy doesn't make enough $ to support himself. There is no way anyone could squeeze enough money out of him to pay for his 9 children by 4 women.

Callie Mollari 14,455 13
02/15/2002 12:58 PM

The reason I don't have children or plan to have them is because I don't like children. I didn't like children when I was a child. Children don't like me, either.

Maybe that will change someday. I've changed a lot over the past 10 years, so ask me again when I'm 35.



Aushie, I feel basically the same way (although for some godawful reason kids flock to me). I just turned 34 and there's still no change in my attitude, so I find it highly unlikely that I ever will want children.



It really annoys me when people who have kids act like I'm doing something horrible by *not* having children. I mean, why on earth should I have a child when it's going to spend it's life knowing that I resent its very being?

piglet 104 11
02/15/2002 01:00 PM

I love children, but I couldn't eat a whole one.

+18Chickens 286,208 61
02/15/2002 01:00 PM

The key word there Aushie is "baby".



The dirty little secret about adoption is that most of the available kids have been taken from stupid single mothers who cannot support them alone, but this doesn't happen till they are old enough to be in school. Once they are that old, most sane folk aren't interested in adopting them.

Feeble, Master of Spline Curves 32,400 15
02/15/2002 01:00 PM

I think that, aside from the desire for an afluent lifestyle, the biggest obstacle is the one the Vicar brought up; fear of screwing it up.



The educated elite of the West has gotten so perfectionistic that people don't get married until their in their 30's for fear of marrying the wrong person, and don't have children because they are afraid they won't be perfect parents. In the meantime, the rest of the world goes right on breeding.



Name "Custer" mean anything to you?



The values of the educated European, American, Canadian, and Australian elite will fade into the dustbin of history, to be replaced by whatever combination comes from Mormonism smashing headlong into Islam.

dinesh 24,862 16
02/15/2002 01:02 PM

i don't have kids because i don't have sex.

Crescent Fresh +11 10,666 13
02/15/2002 01:06 PM

Callie, I don't think you're a bad person for not having a baby. I think it's OK to not have kids.. I think had Alannah not come along when she did, I wouldn't be planning on having them either, not for a while. But I do, and I am raising her well, and it's cool. And you don't want them, that's cool too.. I hate it when parents berate non-parents for not having kids, it's just poopy of them.





Plus, I lub you.

641 12
02/15/2002 01:08 PM

I don't have kids because I don't have ovaries, 'cuz I'm not really female.

Marilyn 12,471 13
02/15/2002 01:08 PM

If I could, I'd adopt a 17 year old. I need someone to drive me around when I'm drunk.

Don Spudleone 323 13
02/15/2002 01:12 PM

Personally, I don't want to put my genetic material into the gene pool. I don't think I'd enhance the human race any, so why try.



I'm also not responsible enough to care for someone else, let alone myself.

Candie Kohrne minus 4 8,640 15
02/15/2002 01:14 PM

I'm not worried about "screwing it up." I'm confident that I would raise a child right.



I'm with Aushie, I don't really care for children all that much. But I know it would be very different if the child came from my very own body. I would love and defend him/her more fiercely than anything alive.



However, the ideal situation for having a child has not occured yet in my life, and I like having low-maintenance living things to care for like cats.



My aunt lived a full and exciting life without children and I know I would too.



I go back and forth on this. Having a child and raising it right would have so many upsides, not the least of which is having family long after my parents have passed away. But do I want to sacrifice the high level of freedom I have for all that?



I will be 35 next month, which means I still have a few years left to decide. Plus I would not have a child without being happily married to the father first.

Squeamish 38,986 14
02/15/2002 01:14 PM

I've told C that before we have kids we should "practice" by adopting one. That way we could make our mistakes without Frost-ing up a perfectly good white kid.



I've picked out a nice 16-year old Korean girl that would be perfect, but C doesn't seem to agree.

The Dirty Vicar 17,446 13
02/15/2002 01:18 PM

I think the proper term for adopting a 16 year old Korean girl is a "Woody Allen Special".

Special Olympic Peon 6,076 13
02/15/2002 01:18 PM

Way to go, Woody Allen.

Squeamish 38,986 14
02/15/2002 01:20 PM

Actually, Tom Hanks predates Woody by a few years.

Squeamish 38,986 14
02/15/2002 01:21 PM

But I believe Tom's Korean girl was 17.

Callie Mollari 14,455 13
02/15/2002 01:22 PM

CFresh, I lub you too!!



From talking with you, you seem to be one of the seemingly few good parents out there who wants to raise their kid right. I see so many people out there raising human shaped wild animals instead of kids and it scares the crap outta me thinking that someday those kids are going to be in charge of things that will effect my life (ok, so lots of them will probably only have an effect if I go to McDonald's but...)

38,986 14
02/15/2002 01:24 PM

>if I go to McDonald's



Based on the view from the GABFest-cam we saw last week, that's probably about 4 or 5 times a day.

Crescent Fresh +11 10,666 13
02/15/2002 01:27 PM

That wasn't cool, how much have you lost, Callie? LIke, 70lb?



So shutup, imp

Callie Mollari 14,455 13
02/15/2002 01:30 PM

Dontcha just love anonymous people who think they know everything about a person?

Crescent Fresh +11 10,666 13
02/15/2002 01:30 PM

They're my favorites

Callie Mollari 14,455 13
02/15/2002 01:31 PM

and I've only lost 35 so far...hit a plateau.

38,986 14
02/15/2002 01:33 PM

That "plateau" was the curb outside the Sizzler.



Can't...seem...to...make..it..over...



I didn't claim to know everything, only that you're Squeamish-sized.

Squeamish 38,986 14
02/15/2002 01:33 PM

I don't know how to take that.

Callie Mollari 14,455 13
02/15/2002 01:35 PM

Oh brave anonymous creature...I'm mortally wounded by your thoughts about me...I shall now commit ritual suicide and name you in my suicide note to forever immortalize your brilliance and correctness.

Stinky 7,952 12
02/15/2002 01:35 PM

I may be fat. I may be stupid. But I ain't...

38,986 14
02/15/2002 01:36 PM

That wasn't cool, how much have you lost, Callie? LIke, 70lb?



So she used to be really, really, really fat, but now she's just really, really fat?

Crescent Fresh +11 10,666 13
02/15/2002 01:36 PM

Fat? I saw you on the webcam.



Maybe so, but I bet we're still prettier than you.



Lazy? You don't do work, you post on GAB all day.



Uh, yeah, I don't work, I don't take care of the child all day, posing only when she's napping or in the room with me, OH YAH, and I work 2 jobs.. so yeah, I'm lazy.



Stupid? I read your posts.



Frost you very much.

Squeamish 38,986 14
02/15/2002 01:38 PM

I'm not an imp and I'll go on record saying that you looked fat on the fest-cam(tm).



I don't care if you're fat (have you seen me lately?) but he is correct.

Stormtrooper in Drag 17,582 13
02/15/2002 01:38 PM

ZOOM ZOOM

Callie Mollari 14,455 13
02/15/2002 01:39 PM

Meg, leave them be.. in their own little world where their opinion matters...

The Dirty Vicar 17,446 13
02/15/2002 01:39 PM

Don't piss off Gab females. They're armed with sarcasm that will tear your wrists off!



Zounds, guvnuh! Izzat a nyew woyfe?

Rich (The Compass) 641 12
02/15/2002 01:39 PM

There is a certain je ne sais quoi in someone accusing you of laziness for posting on GAB...

by posting on GAB.

Crescent Fresh +11 10,666 13
02/15/2002 01:41 PM

I know he's right and I dont' care, I didn't deny it. I DID say that we're working on it, what's his excuse?

Crescent Fresh +11 10,666 13
02/15/2002 01:42 PM

I know Callie, I can't help it... I Just like to argue

Callie Mollari 14,455 13
02/15/2002 01:42 PM

Squeamish, see at least you have the balls to say something in your own name.



Yeah, I know I have weight to lose...I was very ill for a couple of years and between that and the meds they gave me for the problem, I gained weight. I've been working on losing it and have more to lose.



People who haven't the balls to say things in their own name aren't worth listening to.

The Dirty Vicar 17,446 13
02/15/2002 01:44 PM

Yeah, sure. Miss Mollari.

Cap'n Stuby 17,826 13
02/15/2002 01:53 PM

Oh, Shakespeare, Cam Watcher!



Please register so I can click your Evil Otto!





As mean as it is, it's still funny!

Callie Mollari 14,455 13
02/15/2002 01:54 PM

You betcha Mr Vicar

Cap'n Stuby 17,826 13
02/15/2002 01:56 PM

And it ain't me.



I don't care, I'd post that stuff under my own name if I wanted to say it. I don't, but if I did.





You'd know it.

Nutbutter 181,255 35
02/15/2002 02:00 PM

So somebody was sitting at home on a Sunday morning watching a bunch of people in Boston eat brunch and now they're accusing someone else of being fat, lazy and stupid?



I Frost-ing love this place.



Say something about me, Mr. cam Watcher. Go on. Tell me I'm a balding idiot with one too many chins and my wife wears white shoes after labor day. Go on, tell meeeee!

dinesh 24,862 16
02/15/2002 02:00 PM

the ball's in your court now, dinesh maneyapanda.

Stinky 7,952 12
02/15/2002 02:02 PM

There are two reasons why people have children: it's either a mistake or they think they have to in order to fulfill their lives based on societies definition of a succesful being. Melanie fits the first reason, Nuttbutter the other. Both are pretty sad.



Hehehe...a two for one.

SheCabbage 5,200 13
02/15/2002 02:04 PM

I don't have kids because I'm not mature enough yet. I'm too busy being easily distracted by bright lights and pretty colors to be able to buckle down and concentrate on something really important.

Nutbutter 181,255 35
02/15/2002 02:04 PM

wrong.



I'm having a kid so that I wont have to mow the lawn for the rest of my life.

Fronzel Neekburm 15,959 13
02/15/2002 02:06 PM

I don't have kids because nobody wants to Frost me.

Callie Mollari 14,455 13
02/15/2002 02:06 PM

Psst...Nutty, it's a little late for you to find this out now, but a landscaping service would be far cheaper..

SheCabbage 5,200 13
02/15/2002 02:07 PM

*buurrrrrup!*

Callie Mollari 14,455 13
02/15/2002 02:08 PM

Did that taste as good the second time around SheCab?



I find it usually doesn't...

SheCabbage 5,200 13
02/15/2002 02:09 PM

I just ate tuna, so it pretty much tasted the same.



I'm practicing in case I buy that Jetta.

SheCabbage 5,200 13
02/15/2002 02:10 PM

Oh, and woo-Frost-ing-hoo on losing 35 pounds. You're a work in progress, baby.

SheCabbage 5,200 13
02/15/2002 02:10 PM

"woo-Frost-ing-hoo" is enthusiastic and positive, I wanted to clarify.

Callie Mollari 14,455 13
02/15/2002 02:15 PM

Thanks SheCab.



I can't wait until it gets a little warmer out so I can go walking outside in the mornings. The treadmill gets rather on the boring side, even with music or a TV...

Fronzel Neekburm 15,959 13
02/15/2002 02:16 PM

I had a coworker lose 70 pounds since November. But he has been living off of protein drinks.

Crescent Fresh +11 10,666 13
02/15/2002 02:19 PM

Blech..



I've lost 15 pounds in 3 months, hoping to make it 30 by the time we go to Disney.. And by this time next year I want to be at goal, my rate has steadily increased from -1 lb per week to -2 or -3..

Fronzel Neekburm 15,959 13
02/15/2002 02:25 PM

There is this thing that sits under your desk and you have to keep peddling if you want your moniter to stay on.



Another device is a VR bicycle that adjusts the tension depending on what you are going over.



Another very simple weight loss plan is one of my own design, with two simple steps.



1) Eat Less

2) Move More



Works everytime unless you have a freaky thyroid thing going on.

SheCabbage 5,200 13
02/15/2002 02:26 PM

I can't wait until Daylight Savings Time so it's not dark when I leave work!



I will be the Rollerblade Avenger once again, soon enough.

SheCabbage 5,200 13
02/15/2002 02:33 PM

I have a toning secret...



*tee hee*



Clench your buttcheeks, relax. Clench, relax. Hold for 20, relax. Repeat.



I do this at work (when no one's around) and in my car, whenever I have a free cheek-clenching moment.



I could crush rocks with my ass.

Crescent Fresh +11 10,666 13
02/15/2002 02:38 PM

Actually, part of my problem was not eating enough, I'd skip breakfast and lunch and only have dinner, and my body would store everything because it thougth I was starving myself.. I do Weight Wwatchers and it helps me make sure I eat more balanced. It really does work, I've lost steadily since I started it.

Crescent Fresh +11 10,666 13
02/15/2002 02:40 PM

That's like, if you want a vagina of steel, do ..er.. vagina crunches.. Frost, I forget the name now.. it helps you when you can't hold your pee.. Frost.. what's the name??

Crickette (make the hammering STOP!) 2,472 12
02/15/2002 02:40 PM

kegals

Callie Mollari 14,455 13
02/15/2002 02:41 PM

I could crush rocks with my ass.



It's good to have a second talent in case your primary profession turns for the worse.

Nutbutter 181,255 35
02/15/2002 02:42 PM

We learned about Kegels last night at class.



I've been doing them all morning.

Callie Mollari 14,455 13
02/15/2002 02:42 PM

Yup, Kegels



Those are probably why Bonky can benchpress 150 with her clam.



I'm only up to 90...

SheCabbage 5,200 13
02/15/2002 02:42 PM

Web development is going right down the Shakespeareter lately, I could crush rocks and small helpless animals on webcam and make a million dollars.

SheCabbage 5,200 13
02/15/2002 02:42 PM

Kegels are good for your prostrate, I hear, Nutty.

The Dirty Vicar 17,446 13
02/15/2002 02:44 PM

I like my Kegels toasted with cream cheese.

Feeble, Master of Spline Curves 32,400 15
02/15/2002 03:07 PM

I like my wife to do her kegel exercises while sitting on my lap. It's very uplifting.



Candy, I think you're falling into the category one fear - marrying wrong person - rather than the category two fear of screwing up childrearing.



The fact remains that if your parents were childless you probably won't have any grandchildren.

Scooter Brown 19,936 13
02/15/2002 03:32 PM

I just don't see the point in making more people.

Squeamish 38,986 14
02/15/2002 03:36 PM

The point is that the more total people there are, the smaller relative population is comprised of me and feeble.

Scooter Brown 19,936 13
02/15/2002 03:42 PM

are there really any unselfish reasons to have a kid? You want a kid because it'll make you happy, validated, loved, whatever. It's like there's some kid soul somewhere saying "damn I wish he'd have kids so I could be born".

SheCabbage 5,200 13
02/15/2002 03:43 PM

Especially more people like you.

Scooter Brown 19,936 13
02/15/2002 03:43 PM

It's not like

SheCabbage 5,200 13
02/15/2002 03:44 PM

Mmm hmm.



Feel the mean-spiritedness.

Scooter Brown 19,936 13
02/15/2002 03:44 PM

Yeah Scab it's important that your fat genes survive evolution.

Scooter Brown 19,936 13
02/15/2002 03:45 PM

obsessed with me much?

violent squirrel, adventure monkey 0 0
02/15/2002 03:46 PM

I'll have childerm once I know how.

SheCabbage 5,200 13
02/15/2002 03:46 PM

All the time.



You should see the shrine I've set up.



Can you send me some more pubic hair?

SheCabbage 5,200 13
02/15/2002 03:47 PM

(oh and that was a very funny fat joke. hee hee hee!)



(keep up the good work)

Scooter Brown 19,936 13
02/15/2002 03:48 PM

no mean spiritedness from me that isn't directed at you. I have an opinion. I stated it. Nothing in my opinion states ill-will toward anyone. My sister has a baby. My parents have 2 kids. I love my sister and my parents.

SheCabbage 5,200 13
02/15/2002 03:48 PM

You're so dreamy.

SheCabbage 5,200 13
02/15/2002 03:48 PM

OH !



And witty, witty too!



Yessiree!

Scooter Brown 19,936 13
02/15/2002 04:00 PM

This has gone too far. Codeslave, call your bot off.

SheCabbage 5,200 13
02/15/2002 04:02 PM

Please rub your ratty red hair all over my unshaven armpits.

Scooter Brown 19,936 13
02/15/2002 04:04 PM

My hair can either look ratty or like a televangelist's. It can't be both, people.

Nutbutter 181,255 35
02/15/2002 04:11 PM

Can't you see that you're in love?

SheCabbage 5,200 13
02/15/2002 04:12 PM

And I thought that was a rash.

Stinky 7,952 12
02/15/2002 04:14 PM

People have children thinking that if they follow the "American Dream" it will bring them happiness.



They get married and then they need to get a big house. They need a big job to pay for the big house, but they need a big car to get there. So they get tied to the big job even further. Then they need to have children. They start to work more so they can continue to pay for the big house and big car, but also for the 2.4 children. The cycle grows larger and larger as time passes, and theres never enough that will satisfy the wants. They begin to realize that they are not enjoying life, but tell themselves that they will start enjoying life when they retire. Yet, when that time comes, they are so binded by the past 45 years, they never learn how to be happy.



You are all better off killing yourselves.

SheCabbage 5,200 13
02/15/2002 04:14 PM

I aspire to live beneath a waterfall and eat moss.

Nutbutter 181,255 35
02/15/2002 04:15 PM

I suppose we could all just go out and buy ourselves a new Lexus.

Stinky 7,952 12
02/15/2002 04:18 PM

Yeah, but its not a 'big' one.

+18Chickens 286,208 61
02/15/2002 04:18 PM

*reads stinky's thread*

*decides it's sound advice*

BLAM

SheCabbage 5,200 13
02/15/2002 04:18 PM

All of us? One Lexus?



That reminds me of the Lexus SUV I saw the other day. That was just, well, weird.



You can rub my armpit hair if you want, Nutty.

SheCabbage 5,200 13
02/15/2002 04:18 PM

You are SO not dead, Chix, you damned liar. We're not falling for that one again.

Feeble, Master of Spline Curves 32,400 15
02/15/2002 04:37 PM

Stinky is correct that some people have children because of societal expectations.



Societal expectations are very different in the rest of the world.



My grandchildren will live to see the day that the US is irrelevant to the world. We'll be (can't resist) Canada.

Ford Prefect 5,475 13
02/15/2002 05:33 PM

I think it's inevitable that I will have kids. I'm sure I'll put my back into being a good father like I do everything else I think is important and worthwhile. But I wouldn't really work hard to arrange my life specifically to meet the end of having children, but it's something that is typically important to women, and frankly unless she's going to do most of the work in that department I'm simply not willing to consider it. If and when I have kids, she'll stay home at least until they leave for first grade. I think being a full-time mother in responsible circumstances is a noble and important profession and I'm willing to carry the whole financial burden to provide that.

Ford Prefect 5,475 13
02/15/2002 05:34 PM

Plus we all have an ethical duty to have kids to try to counter the dysgenic pressure welfare creates.

Nutbutter 181,255 35
02/15/2002 05:35 PM

unless she's going to do most of the work in that department I'm simply not willing to consider it



I love you, Ford, but sometimes you're an amazingly huge butthead.

EvilPanda 4,807 13
02/15/2002 05:43 PM

I could have kids.



I choose not to.



The world is Frosted-up enough without my spawn adding to it. I'd adopt, but those pesky adoption laws tend to not favor us Coleridgesucking perverts.

Squeamish 38,986 14
02/15/2002 05:44 PM

I don't think it's outrageous to expect the woman to do the bulk of the child-raising work.



That's my plan.



I;m not talking about the discipline or the education or the "raising" of the child, I'm talking about the Shakespeare-work like changing diapers, feeding, and hauling their ass around town.



C gets to do all that crap for a few years in exchange for not needing to hold down a real job the rest of the time.

Nutbutter 181,255 35
02/15/2002 05:45 PM

Obviously, If I'm at work I cannot change a diaper.



However, when I'm not at work I think it's fair for me to do 50% of the work.

Squeamish 38,986 14
02/15/2002 05:48 PM

Frost that.



I'll do that as soon as C hauls her ass up here 8 hours a day and posts to GAB for me.

Nutbutter 181,255 35
02/15/2002 05:48 PM

Hmmmm. You have a point.

Ford Prefect 5,475 13
02/15/2002 05:49 PM

I don't really care. I want a traditional family or none at all. It's not hard to find a girl who feels the same. If a women doesn't want that and she DOES want kids, then she wants someone other than me.

The Dirty Vicar 17,446 13
02/15/2002 05:53 PM

The problem with kids is that, while they are quite similar to dogs in many ways, you cannot lock them in a cage with a bowl of water for an evening while you go out and get drunk.



What's the difference between a dog cage and a crib anyway?

Nutbutter 181,255 35
02/15/2002 05:54 PM

You can't?



I've been misled.



Crap.

SheCabbage 5,200 13
02/15/2002 05:57 PM

I farted.

SheCabbage 5,200 13
02/15/2002 05:57 PM

No! No!



That was the dog! Yeah!

EvilPanda 4,807 13
02/15/2002 06:01 PM

I want a traditional family or none at all.



Best of luck with those 2.3 kids, Ford.



"This is my son Timmy, my daughter Grizelda, and my stillborn foetus, Chester."

SheCabbage 5,200 13
02/15/2002 06:03 PM

Oh god, that was so funny Panda, if totally gross.

Nutbutter 181,255 35
02/15/2002 06:08 PM

I'f I have a stillborn I'm gonna name it Cletus.



Cletus The Fetus!

SheCabbage 5,200 13
02/15/2002 06:10 PM

Well, EP, I gave you an Evil Otto, but some scrooge Maharishi'd you.



Sorry man. It's the thought that counts.

The Dirty Vicar 17,446 13
02/15/2002 06:13 PM

31 years later and I'm stillborn.

Feeble [forbidden by the Geneva Convention] 32,400 15
02/15/2002 11:53 PM

But enough about Dirty Vicar's penis.



Ford, how could a family headed by you POSSIBLY be normal?

AmyPoo 2,710 12
02/16/2002 01:32 AM

hey nutbutter, tell gavia to do lots of kegels. keeps you from peeing when you sneeze or laugh. also gets you "back into shape" faster after birth.

EvilPanda 4,807 13
02/16/2002 02:07 AM

My first full piss tube!



I need to poke fun at Ford more often!

Mike Moon, Lieutenant Colonel Fucktard 4,366 14
02/16/2002 02:30 AM

I have read nothing but the first post and my response is this. Wake up white people, the mudpeople are taking over. WE MUST ENSLAVE THE YELLOW DEVIL.

Lindsey 988 13
02/16/2002 04:57 AM

*cracks up at EP's post*



*click click click*



It'd be cool if one of you webheads could make an animation so that pee comes squirting out of the tube when people click it after it's full.

Feeble [forbidden by the Geneva Convention] 32,400 15
02/16/2002 07:53 AM

That's right. Continue to mock my empty tubes.

vertical bob 26,707 13
02/16/2002 08:24 AM

I thought you knew, Feeble. Your humor pee is being siphoned into the Werehamster account as part of the Clicks For Chicks Who Used To Have Dicks program.

Feeble, Master of Spline Curves 32,400 15
02/16/2002 10:06 AM

Nix the tricks for cut-dicks!

Ford Prefect 5,475 13
02/16/2002 07:20 PM

A family headed by me couldn't possibly be normal? Feeble, you've been decent to me, so I guess I'll leave that alone. What a glass house, though.

vertical bob 26,707 13
02/16/2002 07:32 PM

Normality is okay, I guess. In small doses.

Feeble [forbidden by the Geneva Convention] 32,400 15
02/16/2002 08:02 PM

If you thought I meant that, I shall be forced to noogie you hairless!



Oops. Too late.