John Hargrave 128,742 73
04/16/2002 01:09 AM

- We have added a new "Who's On GAB" feature, which will show you everyone who's posted in the last 15 minutes.



- We have created a new version of GAB At Work, in response to the many requests we received to do a better text-only version of the site. This code was generously shared with us by Tim (thank you, Tim).



- Finally, speaking of the early days, we've created a new feature on the beginning of GAB, which we hope you'll enjoy.



The reason for these changes is simple: GAB has grown enormously. Last month was our biggest month yet, with 850,000 pageviews. We have put a lot of thought into these changes, and believe they will make GAB a better place for the community to grow.



I'm going to bed. Hopefully the code won't fall apart before morning.

Destination: Candie Kohrne 8,640 15
04/16/2002 01:11 AM

And the other shoe drops.

Mike Moon Superfreak! 4,366 14
04/16/2002 01:11 AM

what the Frost?

Mike Moon Superfreak! 4,366 14
04/16/2002 01:12 AM

ahhh what the Frost is a frost?

da_pope 1,483 13
04/16/2002 01:12 AM

feh, all those page views are just a squeamish bot.





i can say feh, right??

She-bot 909 13
04/16/2002 01:12 AM

penne

Declan McManus 131,867 36
04/16/2002 01:12 AM

"Keep feeling fascination. . ."

She-bot 909 13
04/16/2002 01:12 AM

conchiglie

She-bot 909 13
04/16/2002 01:12 AM

spaghetti!

da_pope 1,483 13
04/16/2002 01:13 AM

and i finally found the profile pic i really really liked.

Mike Moon Superfreak! 4,366 14
04/16/2002 01:13 AM

frost

Destination: Candie Kohrne 8,640 15
04/16/2002 01:13 AM

Wow, those GAB 1.0 icons are pretty nifty.

Destination: Candie Kohrne 8,640 15
04/16/2002 01:14 AM

FUSILLI!

Declan McManus 131,867 36
04/16/2002 01:14 AM

PESTO!

EvilPanda 4,807 13
04/16/2002 01:14 AM

Speaking of Icons, when can we get personalized ones, John?

Destination: Candie Kohrne 8,640 15
04/16/2002 01:14 AM

My profile pic was just the cutest thing ever.

Cap'n Stuby 17,826 13
04/16/2002 01:14 AM

blecch.

Gecko, Last master of the shadowfist style 0 0
04/16/2002 01:15 AM

So let me get this straight. You encourage free speech but won't let us swear. you won't kick anyone for what they say but you have a "tattle tale" button in profiles. You want gab to grow but enforce the elitism of gab with an assnine rating system.



someone is getting a flaming bag on their door step.

d8uv the alliteration man 3,011 13
04/16/2002 01:15 AM

NOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOO

*gasp*

OOOOOOOOOO OOOOOO!!!

Cap'n Stuby 17,826 13
04/16/2002 01:15 AM

If we can just get some browser-clogging Javascript and some gridlines, we can make this the Ultimate Bulletin Board Clone!!!







Bleccch

Destination: Candie Kohrne 8,640 15
04/16/2002 01:15 AM

I don't know what you're whining about. I have a personalized icon.

She-bot 909 13
04/16/2002 01:15 AM

fusilli

da_pope 1,483 13
04/16/2002 01:16 AM

cause yer speshul

Mike Moon Superfreak! 4,366 14
04/16/2002 01:16 AM

What the Frost have you done with John Hargrave?

She-bot 909 13
04/16/2002 01:16 AM

angel hair!

Mike Moon Superfreak! 4,366 14
04/16/2002 01:17 AM

I've clicked enough Frost-ing ads to get the right to say c0cksmoker

She-bot 909 13
04/16/2002 01:17 AM

(.)(.)



twists

Declan McManus 131,867 36
04/16/2002 01:19 AM

What's an icon?

Crescent Fresh, Master Baker 10,666 13
04/16/2002 01:20 AM

*sigh* But I LIKE to swear.. and I liked my profile pic too..







I want a personal icon that's a car with zug.com plates.

Superkitten 3,425 0
04/16/2002 01:20 AM

This is Frosted. Props to Gecko.

EvilPanda 4,807 13
04/16/2002 01:20 AM

In other news, I think the popups are gone.

Gecko, Last master of the shadowfist style 0 0
04/16/2002 01:20 AM

Is john boy going to crackdown if we try and swear using "haxor"?

Declan McManus 131,867 36
04/16/2002 01:21 AM

I like the "who's on GAB" thingie.

Superkitten 3,425 0
04/16/2002 01:22 AM

I'll be taking bets on who gets reported the most for abuse.

postbear 10,158 13
04/16/2002 01:22 AM

this is beyond stupid.



way to go, john. the most retarded move yet.



having the swearbot permanently on will certainly make us all a lot more civil to one another.

EvilPanda 4,807 13
04/16/2002 01:23 AM

Frost you, you Frost-ing Frost!!!!!!

EvilPanda 4,807 13
04/16/2002 01:24 AM

It lacks a certain something with the swearbot on.

Therlin 12,200 13
04/16/2002 01:24 AM

I never saw anything wrong with having the swearbot on by default and letting the "advanced" users to turn it off. Frost!

Superkitten 3,425 0
04/16/2002 01:24 AM

Frost-ing dipShakespeare, what the Carroll have you done to GAB?

Destination: Candie Kohrne 8,640 15
04/16/2002 01:25 AM

Okay, yeah, Who's on GAB is super neato.



Please make the JavaScript have the window open a little taller, though.

d8uv 3.5 3,011 13
04/16/2002 01:25 AM

John, I cannot change the Frost-ing swearbot. There does not appear to be a box for it.



Running Galeon 1.0.3 on Mandrake Linux 8.2

Mike Moon Superfreak! 4,366 14
04/16/2002 01:26 AM

I think John misses the point of swearing. You see I lived and breathed the mean streets of Burlington and Medford. Its how we speak yo! Would you tell Irvine Welsh that he can't write phonetically. Would you stop Snoop Dogg from saying biotch? Would Jay-Z be allowed to say "H is for the izza".



You are racist Mr Hargrave.

dinesh 24,862 16
04/16/2002 01:27 AM

i like it!



ok, i really hate it, but change is good, right? no, wait, that was meat.

d8uv 3.5 3,011 13
04/16/2002 01:27 AM

Oh. I see.



That lazyass hasn't added the swearbot replacements.

Crescent Fresh, Master Baker 10,666 13
04/16/2002 01:27 AM

So what will Gab 4.0 entail, then?

EvilPanda 4,807 13
04/16/2002 01:27 AM

"Did we quit when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?"

Superkitten 3,425 0
04/16/2002 01:27 AM

I can't say "Frost" anymore. That must mean Stuby's going to stop calling people names.

Destination: Candie Kohrne 8,640 15
04/16/2002 01:27 AM

It lacks a certain something with the swearbot on.



"Frost the baby Jesus up his stupid Frost-ing Emerson"



I agree.

Mike Moon Superfreak! 4,366 14
04/16/2002 01:28 AM

As a proud member of the Nubian race, I demand the right to say bitch ass nigga.

Cap'n Stuby 17,826 13
04/16/2002 01:29 AM

Uh..."GAB" is apparently some kind of odd foreign word that means "designed by committee"

Superkitten 3,425 0
04/16/2002 01:29 AM

H8.

Mike Moon Superfreak! 4,366 14
04/16/2002 01:30 AM

Time to head over to IMDB...





This is a revolution, dammit! We're going to have to offend SOMEbody!

Cap'n Stuby 17,826 13
04/16/2002 01:30 AM

GAB 4.0



ALL POSTING SHALL BE DISABLED, REPLACED BY POP-UP WINDOWS FOR THE AMAZING X10 CAM.



NO POSTING=NO PROFANITY=NO HURT FEELINGS=PLENTY OF PAGEVIEWS

dinesh 24,862 16
04/16/2002 01:30 AM

am i the only one who left the swearbot on? i thought it was funnier that way.



of course, i also don't use an icon. i'm cuh-ray-zee like that.



ok, time for this little piggie to go to bed. i look forward to seeing this thread be at 200 posts by tomorrow am.

Superkitten 3,425 0
04/16/2002 01:31 AM

You rule, Stuby.

Mike Moon Superfreak! 4,366 14
04/16/2002 01:31 AM

Take a look outside. See that? Revolution is just beneath the surface! If that happens, everything we stand for will be DESTROYED -- unless the German officer corps stands like a rock, intact! And what is more important, untarnished. I made this Stachel into a national hero for good military reasons. If I court-martial him now, it will reflect on the integrity of the whole officer corps.





That is more relavent today then ever before.

d8uv 3.5 3,011 13
04/16/2002 01:31 AM

John, the idea of destroying the 'off' feature of the swearbot was a terrible idea. I find the swearbot to be extremely buggy, and it is placing a limit on the free speech of the place.



I am probably speaking on behalf of the majority of GAB users when I say that you should still be able to turn off the swearbot.

Gecko, Last master of the shadowfist style 0 0
04/16/2002 01:32 AM

why the fizzuck do I only seem to get full piss tubes when I berate people around here? does this prove a point about how retard the rating system is? most likely.



rock on with your amish programmers john-boy.

Therlin 12,200 13
04/16/2002 01:32 AM

So what will Gab 4.0 entail, then?



You post, your message gets sent to a queue where a moderator will edit and approve your message. The moderator will also add extra comedy to the post to make it extra tasty.

Sleestack 30,342 13
04/16/2002 01:32 AM

Um... so the swearings off. Good. I'm all for it. Maybe we'll be a little more encouraged to use a colorful verb or two rather than rely on our Salty Sailor impressions.

Mike Moon Superfreak! 4,366 14
04/16/2002 01:32 AM

There's no such thing as a wrong war. Violence and revolution are the only pure acts.

d8uv 3.5 3,011 13
04/16/2002 01:33 AM

Gah. I am so mad, I forgot English!

Destination: Candie Kohrne 8,640 15
04/16/2002 01:33 AM

I am probably speaking on behalf of the majority of GAB users when I say that you should still be able to turn off the swearbot.



Agreed.

Crescent Fresh, Master Baker 10,666 13
04/16/2002 01:34 AM

Tasty like tapwater, Dave?

Mike Moon Superfreak! 4,366 14
04/16/2002 01:34 AM

The following quote is exactly what is happening here. Except we arent Chinese.



Chinese find way. Right after revolution, they round up all drug dealers, all drug addicts, take them to public square, and shoot them in back of head.

dinesh 24,862 16
04/16/2002 01:36 AM

one last thing. this isn't the way i expected the google ads to be inaugurated!



158 impressions and 2 clickthroughs so far...and only one of them was mine!

Scooter Brown- #1 Genius Scientist in the Universe 19,936 13
04/16/2002 01:40 AM

Is anybody considering not coming back now? I'd say I was, but then there'd be the obligatory celebration.

postbear 10,158 13
04/16/2002 01:42 AM

perhaps. i think my time here will be a lot more limited.



or i'll get booted soon enough by the granny alert.

Mike Moon Superfreak! 4,366 14
04/16/2002 01:42 AM

Come on Scotter, lets go out in style.





pulls out Dual Desert Eagle .50s and leaps sideways....doves are released...bullets fly....bodies twist...I roll out the door

Gecko, Last master of the shadowfist style 0 0
04/16/2002 01:42 AM

I'm thinking about taking moon elsewhere with me. We can start a message board, all we need is a bitter programmer and a guy who thinks hes funny.

Scooter Brown- #1 Genius Scientist in the Universe 19,936 13
04/16/2002 01:43 AM

If everybody left when John Frosted up the board against everybody on the board's wishes, he wouldn't do it. But that won't happen.

Therlin 12,200 13
04/16/2002 01:44 AM

I miss the profile pictures. Now I can't see who is hot, hot like fire.



Could we at least get a second chance, uncle John?

Refarensu-san 756 11
04/16/2002 01:44 AM

Meh. Can I downgrade to Gab 3.0?

Scooter Brown- #1 Genius Scientist in the Universe 19,936 13
04/16/2002 01:44 AM

Frosted



Frosted...





Okay, this is my last post as long as I can't turn off the Frost-ing swearbot.

Cap'n Stuby 17,826 13
04/16/2002 01:45 AM

Heh.



GAB is John's baby, he has every right to kill it.

Refarensu-san 756 11
04/16/2002 01:45 AM

- We are now displaying IP addresses with each post. They are slightly encrypted to protect your privacy, but will give the board some measure of accountability.



I give Squeamish 10 minutes before he figures out the ROT13 "encryption" and begins stalking people.

Scooter Brown- #1 Genius Scientist in the Universe 19,936 13
04/16/2002 01:46 AM

and the porn in my profile.



okay that was it Frost-ing Frost Frost Frost

Scooter Brown- #1 Genius Scientist in the Universe 19,936 13
04/16/2002 01:48 AM

Hey do you suppose this is why codeslave ducked out?



Okay, I'm posting in this thread. But that's it!

Sleestack 30,342 13
04/16/2002 01:48 AM

I don't think he's killing it. He's just changing it. Everyone's still able to post. Everyone's still able to rant up a storm.



John put a swearbot in because the right to swear was abused, plain and simple. You wouldn't need a swearbot if people didn't work through their Tourette's symptoms on a regular basis in a public forum.

Therlin 12,200 13
04/16/2002 01:49 AM

This is like the Windows Me of GAB upgrades.

Superkitten 3,425 0
04/16/2002 01:51 AM

And it can't be abused when the words are simply changed by a filter?



Throbbing meatshaft.

Quim.

Steaming arse-sausages.

Destination: Candie Kohrne 8,640 15
04/16/2002 01:51 AM

Scooter demonstrates how he can kick the GAB habit like that!

Scooter Brown- #1 Genius Scientist in the Universe 19,936 13
04/16/2002 01:53 AM

alright.











































bang.

Superkitten 3,425 0
04/16/2002 01:53 AM

"Need" is an overstatement. Everyone who gets weak in the legs had the optional swearbot.

Destination: Candie Kohrne 8,640 15
04/16/2002 01:53 AM

Whoa, just checked Who's on GAB. I'm the only chick posting lately.

Refarensu-san 756 11
04/16/2002 01:54 AM

I suggest we add a couple of swings and a merry-go-round, for an increased Kindergarten experience.



Oh, well, it happens when things go mainstream. I remember Gab 1.0, with its poorly drawn black & white icons and nasty threads about milk-filled scrotums. (scrota?)

socks, not sox 4,060 0
04/16/2002 01:55 AM

the swearbot gives you culture, you Frost-ing Coleridgemonsters.

postbear 10,158 13
04/16/2002 01:55 AM

i disagree sleestack.



swearing is a huge part of communicating in every language and culture. like most slang, swear words are a part of language that changes the most rapidly and frequently. the swear words of yesterday are tomorrow's dead words or, alternately, catchphrases. this is not due to the desensitizing of our society, either. this is part of the process whereby languages change and evolve.



outlawing swearing will not make anyone more polite. it will just alienate people.

d8uv 3.5 3,011 13
04/16/2002 01:55 AM

I find it disgusting that all of the things that made GAB unique are all being taken away.



Bad move, John.

Sleestack 30,342 13
04/16/2002 01:55 AM

He's trying to change what he perceives to be a negative behavior. The exact words filtered don't really matter. Try hard enough, and I'm sure they'll be all kinds of clever little things that can be done to abuse the swearbot.



I think John is saying, "Enough, folks. It wears on you after a while, okay? Try and be a little more like a community, fer cryin' out loud."

Superkitten 3,425 0
04/16/2002 01:56 AM

I love you, Postbear. But not in a gay way.

Refarensu-san 756 11
04/16/2002 01:59 AM

Some choice bits from the All About GAB page:



> Thou shalt not be easily offended.



> On GAB, the people rule.



Yes indeedy. Oh well... I'm going to report John a few thousand times for abusing GAB.

Sleestack 30,342 13
04/16/2002 02:00 AM

Swearing is also considered a vulgarity, postbear. As such you always run the risk of offense, particularly if overused.

the Society to Rid the Earth of Celine Dion 676 12
04/16/2002 02:00 AM

When the hell was ZUG acquired by AOL?

1bigdork 7,825 12
04/16/2002 02:00 AM

I never noticed the swearing, because I left the SwearBot on.



I have no idea what you Frost-ing Carrollbag Ogden Nash pussies are going to to do compensate.

1bigdork 7,825 12
04/16/2002 02:01 AM

I think that who's on feature will be pretty handy.

Therlin 12,200 13
04/16/2002 02:02 AM

So it seems like the one thing that is pissing people off the most is the swearbot. Couldn't John just bring that back and people would be OK with GAB as it stands until 4.0 is released?

Refarensu-san 756 11
04/16/2002 02:02 AM

Before I leave this thread, I wanted to post this link, so we can learn to cuss at each other in Dutch, Chinese, or worse yet, French.



Au revoir, connards!

Destination: Candie Kohrne 8,640 15
04/16/2002 02:04 AM

Fok jou, Mr. Reference.

Demon Disciple 5,097 15
04/16/2002 02:05 AM

I read about half the thread before I got irked. People who cannot tolerate certain words being used in their presence should have their throat removed forcefully with something sharp and jagged, so if they survive, they can revert to childish primate communication of grunting and whining. This is beyond stupid. I've threatened to leave about a dozen times, and I usually tend to pull it off for stretches at a time, but everything's seemed stagnant lately, and I've been lurking off and on, and you pull this shyt? Fvck, man, give people options at least, and take them away if they abuse them. Of course, in the defense of freedom and equality and all, who, exactly, the fvck are you to decide what's right and wrong? Won't be long before we're allowed to remove each others posts from our threads like little guestbooks on geocities pages. This is retarded. Until Cube, Declan, Or Vlad contact me with info on improvements, I'm gone. So much for improving the board, Hargrave, when you cater to the lowest common denominator, you get the worst possible product. Heard of Darwin, go fvcking read about natural selection, and get back to me when you actually understand it.



USER : DEMON DISCIPLE

STATUS : RETIRED

OCCUPATION : SEEKING THE LOST SPARK OF HUMAN INTELLIGENCE

IF FOUND PLEASE RETURN TO : SOCIETY

CONTACT : JosephMoon@bondage.com / JosephMoon@iFroststuffedanimals.com



(My actual adress has the "F" word in it. I think, perhaps it was intended as a joke, but apparently, humor, like most things, is subjective.)

1bigdork 7,825 12
04/16/2002 02:05 AM

And the "Report Abuse" link will be super-cool! The next time that Mrs. Dork cuts the phone line before she beats me, I just have to make it to the computer.

1bigdork 7,825 12
04/16/2002 02:06 AM

Heh, Candie speaks Cuban.

postbear 10,158 13
04/16/2002 02:06 AM

heaven forbid a bunch of people posting words on a website should ever be vulgar to one another, sleestack.



and for putting that horrible idea into my head and making my doilies wilt, i'm going to have to report you to the grand dragon wizard bitch.

Sleestack 30,342 13
04/16/2002 02:07 AM

Heh. Funny thing is, I don't think there would be a problem with using another language to swear at each other, because at least it would show originality and cleverness in getting your point across.

Sleestack 30,342 13
04/16/2002 02:12 AM

postbear, please understand, I don't mind the swears. I've had my swearbot turned off because I feel the same way as you toward swearing. It's just words. But I also choose not to swear too much here because, A. It's not necessary, and B. I consider it to be a vulgar way to make a point, when there's this wonderful thesaurus thingee that allows me to be more eloquent.



Stuby has launched ego-withering attacks without a swear in the post. I thought that rather ingenious and spoke well of Stuby's ability to get his point across.

Micro³ 13,428 12
04/16/2002 02:13 AM

something from DD:



polesmokingchub (10:11:48 PM): Remember this day. I finally kicked the GAB habit. I usually return to gab like a LA street whore to heroin, but I'm done. I'll only tolerate ignorance so far.

Destination: Candie Kohrne 8,640 15
04/16/2002 02:14 AM

Heh, Candie speaks Cuban



Heehee, that was actually supposedly Afrikaans.

Dead Robot 67,630 16
04/16/2002 02:16 AM

Can I have my donation back?



No seriously. I offered up my gift partially thinking it was more a payment for using GAB. Now I feel that that "gift" has been returned to the store for something horrid, cheap and gaudy.



Worst. Thread. Ever.

Dead Robot 67,630 16
04/16/2002 02:17 AM

SUT from across the room:



"Well, I'll never go back."

Destination: Candie Kohrne 8,640 15
04/16/2002 02:17 AM

I was wondering if those of you who had donated felt ripped off. I would, if I had been able to afford to contribute.

Sleestack 30,342 13
04/16/2002 02:18 AM

Just as a matter of comparison, how is everyone with the "encrypted IP" thing?



I would have thought that would have provoked some comments.

1bigdork 7,825 12
04/16/2002 02:20 AM

John is just using this thread to boost pageviews and ad revenues. I can just smell the meter burning at the ISP.

She-bot 909 13
04/16/2002 02:20 AM

Dra til helvete.

I mean IPs are flexible.

postbear 10,158 13
04/16/2002 02:21 AM

amen, DR.



how many of you people would have given your cash had you known that this was going to happen?



i see your point, sleestack. i just disagree with the idea as a matter of principle. also, protecting the innocents is stupid and doesn't work anyway.

Destination: Candie Kohrne 8,640 15
04/16/2002 02:23 AM

I wonder why this part isn't showing up on the page: <font color='#ffffff'> [LWS.ONR.156.114] </font>



Aha! White text on white! You clever boy! Everyone, IPs are listed right after the time posted. Select text to see.

Micro³ 13,428 12
04/16/2002 02:24 AM

well, I think this is all Frosted up.



twas not a good non-birthday present

Dead Robot 67,630 16
04/16/2002 02:25 AM

That's encryption?

She-bot 909 13
04/16/2002 02:25 AM

Like the icon I'm not using.



Hi! I'm from Chi!

</obnoxious high-pitched girly-voice>

Sleestack 30,342 13
04/16/2002 02:27 AM

i just disagree with the idea as a matter of principle. also, protecting the innocents is stupid and doesn't work anyway.



To bo honest, I disagree with it too, but I think I can understand the mindset.



I don't think it was about protecting anyone. Look, he's made it clear several times that he was disturbed by the viciousness that he saw growing on the board. He watched newbies get torn to pieces by a lot of dismissive people who just write their unrepentant criticism off to "Hey, that's GAB. Deal." And he didn't like what he saw anymore.



This isn't really a change. I think it's a warning shot.



I'm just guessing, of course.

d8uv 3.5 3,011 13
04/16/2002 02:29 AM

John did the same kind of trick on the GAB.html page.

Destination: Candie Kohrne 8,640 15
04/16/2002 02:30 AM

The worst epithets against newbies that I recall had little to do with swearing.

3,011 13
04/16/2002 02:31 AM

Now, you'll be able to know who made that hilarious post while anon.

Destination: Candie Kohrne 8,640 15
04/16/2002 02:32 AM

Good point, d8. I don't care for that too much.

Sleestack 30,342 13
04/16/2002 02:34 AM

Ye gads. That's not encryption. The poster is still uniquely identified.



Cripes, at least XOR it against the timestamp.

d8uv 3.5 3,011 13
04/16/2002 02:34 AM

Nor do I.

Refarensu-san 756 11
04/16/2002 02:35 AM

We'll also get to know who Kenshin, Brooke, and Vlad really are, but that wasn't worth ruining Gab for.

postbear 10,158 13
04/16/2002 02:35 AM

remember DR's friend posting the white-on-white text on his ebay auction, candie?



sleestack, swearing at newbies isn't what chases them off, if this, indeed, ever happens. what do you mean by warning shot? you think john is going to go all out and fvck the board up even more?

socks, not sox 4,060 0
04/16/2002 02:36 AM

fdisk

Destination: Candie Kohrne 8,640 15
04/16/2002 02:40 AM

remember DR's friend posting the white-on-white text on his ebay auction, candie?



Can't say I do. Remind me?

Sleestack 30,342 13
04/16/2002 02:40 AM

Holy craparooney. That's right. ALL of the posts have the IP stamp.



Okay, now THERE'S a legit complaint. Since there's now a way to determine and every single poster on the board since GAB started up again, posts made before today should NOT show the IP, because we were still operating with the presumption of anonyminity.

Destination: Candie Kohrne 8,640 15
04/16/2002 02:42 AM

I absolutely agree. But here they are.

Micro³ 13,428 12
04/16/2002 02:44 AM

more from dd



Kinda sad if this is all a bad joke, but hargrave's posts to the board never invlove comedy, he tries to keep us all at arms length from his humor. Not a bad idea, overexposure dulls everything, so its not a bad move on his part, but still, I doubt this is a joke. I wouldn't mind the IP thing, being able to keep up with all the anon posts and Shakespeare.

Destination: Candie Kohrne 8,640 15
04/16/2002 02:45 AM

Please, please, please reverse that John. This will start all kinds of wars once people can tell who someone was that imped (believing that they were anonymous.)

Dead Robot 67,630 16
04/16/2002 02:46 AM

THX-1138, Why aren't you at your post?

Sexhead, Grand Mistress Succubus 12,287 12
04/16/2002 02:52 AM

I have VERY mixed feelings about these changes.



I understand that GAB is part of a legacy that John has worked hard to create. He has every right to want to mold and shape it as he wishes, in the hopes of bringing together the community he imagined (regardless of whether it truly exists or not.) Yeah, we have each, in our own little way, helped GAB grow by coming here. And, it's a part of us, we're a part of it, blah, blah, blah. But it's not ours. It's John's.



It would be great if everyone followed the "commandments" set forth in the "About" page. They make perfect sense to me, and so I can see the logic in John's head as he implements these changes. But the truth is, it's not to everyone's style. Now, maybe the people to whose style it's not shouldn't be posting here. But the overriding factor here is funny. And funny is incredibly subjective. Some people who get clickies all the time are people I don't find particularly humorous, and vise versa. We've all seen it. But that diversity is a beauty of GAB - and to seek such diversity and then, upon getting it, say, "Well... I don't quite like this about it..." kind of leaves a sour taste our mouths. You wanted it, and you got it. "Cosmic, astonomical powers, eeety beety living space." Nothing about human nature is perfect. No matter how hard you try to make it.

Do I like it when people here are mean to me? No. Do I take it personally? Not really. Anyone who is stupid enough to be truly hurt by someone's insult or thoughtless remark, someone they don't know who is hundreds or thousands of miles away, deserves to have their feelings hurt. This isn't to say I condone mean-spiritedness intended for that purpose. I think we would all do well to be nicer to one another. Online and in the real world. But I found out a long time ago, it don't work that way.

Sexhead, Grand Mistress Succubus 12,287 12
04/16/2002 02:52 AM

That said, I would like to propose a compromise, though I have no idea whatsoever how possible it is (money/time-wise): TWO GABs. GAB, and GAB lite. GAB remains as it is now. GAB lite would essentially be a mirror site to GAB, but as clean as John wants it to be. No swears, no flames. It might have to be moderated, in the sense that there would have to be some feature for filtering out the meanness, leaving only the "funny-intelligent." So GAB would contain all that GAB lite has, but GAB lite does not necassarily have everything that GAB does. People have the option of entering either one, but they enter GAB(regular) with full understanding that it is unmoderated, and therefore there will be swearing, pics, and stuff all over they may not like. They also realize they may be flamed for life. If they can't handle it, boo-effin-hoo. Newbies are thusly warned, and the rest of us know better. But I think, resources permitting, this could possibly make (almost) everyone happy.



Yes? No? Dumbest. Idea. Ever.?

postbear 10,158 13
04/16/2002 02:54 AM

he's not listening.



</big fat fvcking surprise>

postbear 10,158 13
04/16/2002 02:55 AM

i checked sexhead's ip.



she's not ford.

5,097 15
04/16/2002 02:55 AM

You know who I am. Just thought I'd mention the IP thing is now effective on all past-date threads. Go back to all the controversial threads and see who all the fvcking obnoxious anonymous posts were. Why wait for someone to post. Pull up that old thread and find out now if moon really was kenshin. Go on now, kiddies, ruin all the mystery that is half the joy of gab's atmosphere. The humor is now dependant on someone else's opinion, the language moderated, the mystery killed. GAB was a great forum, and will always likely be a great place, nice layout, and usage, and all, but I only ascribe to total freedom. I don't make a habit of anon posts, or any other identities or anything, I have 1 account, it's all I need. Nobody takes me seriously as it is, why do I need a second account? But despite all that, the IP thing is plain out stupid, and what level of privacy from most people that we've been able to retain here is one of it's more charming traits. Even if this is some sorta prank, it's a bad one, in poor taste, fvcking with something a lot of people rely on to a certain extent. Anyway, have fun john, since you just lost probably half of your beloved fanbase.

1bigdork 7,825 12
04/16/2002 02:55 AM

Huzzah to Candie and Sleestack re: IPs.



Imps are a critical component of GAB



* They give us an instrument for chastising non-normative behavior without it escallating into a personal issue.



* They allow folks to contribute interesting things to conversations that they might normally find embarassing.



* Imps are a fun way to introduce grist to the GAB mill. I don't want to know who Vlad and Sperel are or who decides to channel William Shatner for a day.



Keep the IP data for the administrator, but please keep it away from the users.

Dead Robot 67,630 16
04/16/2002 02:57 AM

Holy Shakespeare!



Runs off to find out who half you people really were.

1bigdork 7,825 12
04/16/2002 02:58 AM

So Sexhead, does it mean that it's O.K. to tell everyone that you were the one blowing farts out of your cooch?





* Goes fetal

1bigdork 7,825 12
04/16/2002 02:58 AM

Not in the face!

Sleestack 30,342 13
04/16/2002 03:03 AM

FUN FACT #1: The spammer of this thread is also known to us as Holli and Blinky The Spastically Twitching Squirrel.



You are outed.

Fizzgig 2,531 11
04/16/2002 03:03 AM

"Anyone who is stupid enough to be truly hurt by someone's insult or thoughtless remark, someone they don't know who is hundreds or thousands of miles away, deserves to have their feelings hurt."





Sexhead - I am so hurt by that comment - really, I am.









*bawls*

Refarensu-san 756 11
04/16/2002 03:05 AM

How far is Boston from Salem? Just wondering...

Destination: Candie Kohrne 8,640 15
04/16/2002 03:05 AM

Slee, you are out of the loop. That guy's already been banned ("God.")

postbear 10,158 13
04/16/2002 03:06 AM

keep outing people, sleestack.



then maybe john will have some sense kicked into him when even some of the most polite people here have their true selves revealed and freak all over his ass.

Dead Robot 67,630 16
04/16/2002 03:07 AM

Slee, it was outed that Squirrelboy was God was tons others.



Interesting that you can't search GAB using IPs.

Sexhead, Grand Mistress Succubus 12,287 12
04/16/2002 03:07 AM

So Sexhead, does it mean that it's O.K. to tell everyone that you were the one blowing farts out of your cooch?



Sure! Cause:

1) It was my Woo-woo, and not my cooch.

2) I DIDN'T FART!!!!!!!!

Chouggy, Thumb Boy 5,183 13
04/16/2002 03:07 AM

Yeah I very interested in having people outed. Who's posting under other names?

Fisty McButtpunch 2,438 13
04/16/2002 03:08 AM

But I do think its a BAD thing for GAB.

Yippy, el comedor del sapo de Bonky 3,028 13
04/16/2002 03:10 AM

You people are whinier than a spoiled girl buying a prom dress.

7,825 12
04/16/2002 03:11 AM

Faints from the surprise of that revelation.

5,097 15
04/16/2002 03:12 AM

I think it's kinda funny that tavis's IP thing shows up with 3 letters that look like some sorta abrievation for asian.



polesmokingchub (1:03:54 AM): I figured she was real, but I kinda hoped she was a character.

Microcube413 (1:05:00 AM): yea

Microcube413 (1:05:03 AM): but CLOSE GAB

Microcube413 (1:05:12 AM): its like crack



He's right. I said I was leaving, I intend to leave, and not post anymore, but things keep pulling me back in, and I can't bring myself to just turn it all off. It's the same reason that I still watch 'Days of our lives' after 20 years since I first watched it.

Sleestack 30,342 13
04/16/2002 03:12 AM

Interesting that you can't search GAB using IPs



I've already determined that a script can be written that polls all the messages of the board, extracts the IP number and poster, and put them all in a database for dissection and comparison. It would take me a few hours to write it.



This is NOT good.

Sexhead, Grand Mistress Succubus 12,287 12
04/16/2002 03:13 AM

Sexhead - I am so hurt by that comment - really, I am.



Good.

Dead Robot 67,630 16
04/16/2002 03:14 AM

get on that right away Slee.

5,097 15
04/16/2002 03:14 AM

Fvck, I just noticed that. Um, Tavis, you're my Frost-ing hero.

Destination: Candie Kohrne 8,640 15
04/16/2002 03:14 AM

And you can search individual threads with your browser for other instances of that IP.

postbear 10,158 13
04/16/2002 03:16 AM

do it, slee.



i stand by every comment i've ever posted here, in my name or as an imp.



i think the most likely way for you guys to get this changed is to abuse the hell out of it.

5,097 15
04/16/2002 03:18 AM

Am I the only one other than dork that noticed that chouggy is tavis? LOL Frost-ing-A that rawkz. Now I know why I find chouggy so funny. Only old schoolers could've pulled that off. Can I oust vlad now, since he's gunna be found out anyway?

Destination: Candie Kohrne 8,640 15
04/16/2002 03:19 AM

I've known that ever since Tavis left and they discussed giving Chouggy the password in a thread.

Chouggy, Thumb Boy 5,183 13
04/16/2002 03:19 AM

Yup.

Chouggy, Thumb Boy 5,183 13
04/16/2002 03:20 AM

I was very obvious about it, but many people ....



*cough* Shelby *cough*



... could never figure it out.

5,097 15
04/16/2002 03:22 AM

D'oh. One of the many downsides of my attempts to leave are that all the interesting stuff happens when I'm not here. Maybe that's a sign. Okay, closing gab now, cube gave me enough entertainment for the night. Nice knowing you guys, here's to hoping some of you will keep in touch, since I'm gunna take to shooting up black tar heroin, so I can have something to drag me away. I'll miss you mofo's. Not really, but it's a nice sentiment, and we all know how much of a pacifist I am. Tata, fvckers.

Sleestack 30,342 13
04/16/2002 03:22 AM

Well, tomorrow morning I'll try and contact Mssr. Hargrave and give him my findings. If there was a reasonable expectation of non-disclosure of imp posts, there may actually be a legal issue here that he may want to consider.



But for now I'm going sleep-sleep. Happy hunting.



Still haven't found a match for Sperel yet, damnit.

1bigdork 7,825 12
04/16/2002 03:25 AM

Candie has been ragging Chouggy for weeks on that topic. I assumed that she was making the jokes just for me.



*cues violins

Destination: Candie Kohrne 8,640 15
04/16/2002 03:27 AM

Still haven't found a match for Sperel yet, damnit.



Try Reek.

She-bot 909 13
04/16/2002 03:29 AM

test











icle

She-bot 909 13
04/16/2002 03:29 AM

I thought so.

She-bot 909 13
04/16/2002 03:29 AM

bbl

Destination: Candie Kohrne 8,640 15
04/16/2002 03:30 AM

Testicle isn't a swear-word.

1bigdork 7,825 12
04/16/2002 03:31 AM

Is it me, or has this been a great 2 hours of GAB? I've laughed my buns off and I have seen more intelligent, passionate debate than I have seen in the average week. And the tension of the possible revelation of every controversial imp over the past year just makes me tingle.



I like seeing this sort of debate. It reminds me of the early years of the United States, when there were new frontiers and passionate debate about foundational issues. Any community without controversy is dead.

5,097 15
04/16/2002 03:33 AM

I'm kinda enjoying knowing who papercut was.

Chouggy, Thumb Boy 5,183 13
04/16/2002 03:36 AM

*raises eyebrow*

Micro³ 13,428 12
04/16/2002 03:39 AM

you silly jap

Sleestack 30,342 13
04/16/2002 03:41 AM

Heh. Just discovered the identity of Gavia junior. Cute.

Brookie. Just Brookie. 0 0
04/16/2002 03:42 AM

I remember when I first started Gabbing, I thought it was the greatest thing ever. We had cool little icons, it was a pretty, clean setup, there was a photo album, people communicated off the board, and all that sort of stuff. I was amazed. At my old board, a kid gave out his email address asking for a friend, and got, like, 150 posts. It was considered so innovative, but here it's standard. Therefore I appreciate the Swearbot. I think it's funny and different. But the rest of this stuff is changing Gab from this funky, different, unique corner of the interweb to just another messageboard.



And now the suggestions:



John, please try to accept the fact that people can be mean and vulgar. That's just the way we are. Also, if you're trying to get more people to visit your site by making it more friendly to noobs, you're going to fail. You're driving away several members of the established audience to cater to a few newbies who might just spout "OMG, asl ppl, dont yall think Justin Timberlake is a total FOX?!?" one or two times then leave.



Everyone else, please try to realize how special Gab is, even with a few modifications-- not including, of course, the ones that change what Gab is really about.



Final point: It's not really about whether or not you can swear-- it's about who you're swearing at. Even though the setup does contribute in its own way to Gab's uniqueness, it can only go so far. The people are what keep others coming back. As long as we still have all our special personalities, we'll be okay. It's just really too bad that they might end up being censored.

postbear 10,158 13
04/16/2002 03:59 AM

i will always swear.



any attempt to negotiate a compromise will be refused.

5,097 15
04/16/2002 04:11 AM

We are Piss-bear. Resistance is Futile.

postbear 10,158 13
04/16/2002 04:13 AM

watch it! i know what your ip is!



maybe full addresses and phone numbers, along with the names of our pastors and grandmothers ought to be displayed, too.

Stormtrooper in Drag 17,582 13
04/16/2002 04:15 AM

Can I still do this?



(.   )(   .)     (.   )(   .)

  )       (         )       (

(     Y    )     (     *     )




SHAVED? OR NOT

Stormtrooper in Drag 17,582 13
04/16/2002 04:16 AM

Why yes, yes I can.

10,158 13
04/16/2002 04:18 AM

darn your ascii!



darn it all to heck!

Manhattan Fever 11,939 13
04/16/2002 04:22 AM

OH MY GOD IT TOOK ME FOREVER TO READ THIS THREAD.



In short: I'm still going to say whatever the hell manages to ooze out of my brain. Cursing is fun, about one of the only things that gives me joy in this world. You ever let out a string of swear words in front of a small child? It has to be one of the most satisfying things ever. I'm not going to complain none, but this watered-down Shakespeare is just jading people's attitude toward you, John. Good luck finding the middle ground.

5,097 15
04/16/2002 04:32 AM

I don't try to hide who I am. If I post anonymously, there's a 99% probability I'm gunna claim it within 48 hours. I'm only posting anon Shakespeare now, waiting for this Shakespeare to die down before I remove this gab needle from my collapsing veins.

jellytot 3,504 11
04/16/2002 05:40 AM

Well I get into work and all hell has broken loose whilst I was asleep. It's not fair. Gab should be delayed so we all get it at the same time!

If John makes this board too easy and friendly to use then it will quickly become flooded and it will become impossible to retain any sense of who everybody is.

I lurked on this board for about 2 years before I plucked up the courage to actually register.

dinesh 24,862 16
04/16/2002 09:22 AM

i still don't mind the changes too much, though i agree it was a mistake not uniquely encrypting IP's. perhaps that's all it was, a mistake?

Alienyst 2,371 12
04/16/2002 09:47 AM

At first read, I was not really sure how I would feel. BUT - the swearbot thing is a Frost-ing stupid move. It is not going to make us stop swearing, just that those of us whom it doesn't necesarily bother or would rather reat the thread as the poster intended are now treated like the immature Emersons who turn it off then then complain about it.



IP's, although slightly encrypted? Why put them at all then? Encrypted ones only make people like me (and I am sure many others here) just find a way to decrypt them.



Abuse button? Are we in kindergarten? Part of the reason Gab works now is the fact that if we have a problem with anyone, we tell them. Or we ignore them. Or better yet, engage in some witty, humorous banter with them.



It doesn't matter if the community has grown. If it has, it has because of what it was, not what you have just made it.

Alienyst 2,371 12
04/16/2002 09:51 AM

If porn pics were a problem in profiles, then why not just screent hem before you allow them up? You take away all our individuality in our ability to post, AND you take away our ability to represent ourselves?

Sleestack 30,342 13
04/16/2002 10:04 AM

I think I can answer that last question.



First of all, the last thing a board operator wants to do is be put into a position where they have to approve stuff. You'll always get accusations of censorship, double-standards and favoritism no matter how careful you are. And besides, a board operator has better things to do than wade through gif images all day.

Alienyst 2,371 12
04/16/2002 10:05 AM

Who's on Gab feature - wasted bit of code and also will slow the board down, especially if people use it (SO don't use it).



850,000 page views? A lot of thsoe are reloads so you see the latest posts in threads and also, that is 850,000 page views as it WAS not as what you have just changed it to!

Alienyst 2,371 12
04/16/2002 10:07 AM

and besides, the WHo's on GAB feature does not work properly. As in Slee does not show up when I click it (now I mean) and he just posted.

Alienyst 2,371 12
04/16/2002 10:08 AM

and if you are going to make changes, why not make something useful? Like putting a button to post or go back to main page at the TOP of the thread as well as the bottom?

spinn 114 11
04/16/2002 10:10 AM

Whoo you people are touchy. Reminds me why I hate changing things on my own site.



Though I don't know why John doesn't have the swearbot work at read time, rather than post time. Having an option for that would protect delicate constitutions, and uphold the First Amendment rights some of you seem to think you have on someone else's publishing system. Everyone happy.



Unless it /is/ done at readtime, in which case, I don't know what the point of perma-on is, either.

Reek Stankleberry 3,653 12
04/16/2002 10:10 AM

Everything is a cycle. All that is good eventually turns bad. There would be no progress, otherwise.

Some people stick with things through the bad times, and are rewarded when the bad times are over. Many people just follow the good times, never living through crappiness.

I like to say and read naughty words.

Sleestack 30,342 13
04/16/2002 10:12 AM

um... it *is* done at read time...

Feeble the Banalometer 32,400 15
04/16/2002 10:12 AM

I like at least some of the changes, and I want to thank Tim for the better "Gab at Work" page.



As for the swearbot, I thought it was better left as an option. Making it mandatory only means that those who are unoffended by profanity are instead offended by pasta or poets. It doesn't keep people from swearing, it keeps people from reading swearing.

Crescent Fresh, Master Baker 10,666 13
04/16/2002 10:16 AM

Ok, while I'm not happy about some of the changes, I AM going to publically support John in whatever he feels is necessary.. I've been here a looong time, and frankly, worse things have happened, it's not the end of the freaking world it's seeing Frost instead of Fvck, which we see whenever we see the word Frost anyway..

Squeamish 38,986 14
04/16/2002 10:25 AM

* cries *

Squeamish 38,986 14
04/16/2002 10:29 AM

...and with that post I cracked the "encryption."

Professor Nutbutter 181,255 35
04/16/2002 11:30 AM

For the most part I don't think any of these changes are that big a deal. The "encryption" on the IPs might be a little better. I like the idea of being accountable for imp posts while still being able to do it. I've always felt certain imp jobs are what makes this place.



I tend to support John because, like Spinn said, this is *his* home and we're only guests. All this crap about freedom of speech and "oh great, John, now you've gone and Frosted it up... I hope you're happy" is just a matter of missing the point.



The one thing I take issue to, which has been mentioned, is the posting of IPs on old posts. We were posting thinking our IPs would not be posted. I'm not a lawyer, and I've never read Zug's privacy policy (do they have one?) so I don't imagine any case would hold up in court (nor do I feel strongly enough about the issue to look into it) but I think, as a show of good will, John should take steps to remedy this issue. All it would take is an "IF date < 4/15/2002 then ShowIP = NO" type check.



Keep improving Gab. People tend to be afraid of change but they quickly get used to it. Frost 'em.

1bigdork 7,825 12
04/16/2002 11:30 AM

John, while you are getting your business degree plan on taking a marketing class or three.



I've already posted about how your revenue model is not aligned with the site. But now you've broken a cardinal marketing law for about the third time in the last 6 months: Never Frost with your installed base.



You will never cross the chasm to mainstream success without a fanatically loyal core group of customers. And if you alienate them, you are sunk.



You had the ultimate market research tool at your fingertips and you didn't use it. You can learn how folks will react to proposed changes before you blow money on code. You still have the right to ignore the findings of your research, but you won't have any surprises.



You can to run GAB as a social experiment. Allow the system to show the impact of feature changes. But if you want to build a successful venture, you better use a Shakespeareload more rigor in your methods.

Dead Robot 67,630 16
04/16/2002 11:40 AM

How eiree that this is on Salon today.

Wako, succubus training dummy 12,056 12
04/16/2002 01:12 PM

Holy Shakespeare, i don't post for two days and look what happens!!



Well, for the swearbot, who cares. It doesn't make a difference either way, so let John have it. We owe him so much more than that.



IP's...I'm torn. I really don't want to know who Vlad is, nor will i try to, but i'm sure it is now inevitable that i find out. Hopefully, sperel was never anyone else for you to find, other than a master lurking poop eating goose. But it's your show John. You kill a grand venue on your site in imping and anonymity. Would this have ever been posted otherwise? Probably, but maybe not.



So, do what you will, john. I support you either way, since you've already given us all so much.



But as time progresses more and more through yet another version of Gab, I continually ask myself, how long before John has sold out. I truly hope you find in Gab's mainstreamed crowd the money to better provide for your family, since so many of your friends here will simply never understand.



weeps

Bonky 75,728 15
04/16/2002 02:04 PM

>"GAB has grown enormously. Last month was our biggest month yet, with 850,000 pageviews. We have put a lot of thought into these changes, and believe they will make GAB a better place for the community to grow."



We're very sorry. We'll cut down on how many pageviews we pageview.



If last month was so busy, why change it, knowing you'll upset 847,382 of those pageviewers?



Bah.





Bah and feh, I say.

Kenshin 2,469 13
04/16/2002 02:31 PM

Wow, you know what this GAB reminds me of?



If you guessed AOL then you're right. AOL is so easy to use no wonder it's number 1! Not only that, but with each new version of AOL, it becomes less and less rewarding in the end.

1bigdork 7,825 12
04/16/2002 02:33 PM

You know Bonky is pissed off when she gets lucid.

the Society to Rid the Earth of Celine Dion 676 12
04/16/2002 02:48 PM

Oh my God, I actually clicked Kenshin... we must be nearing the end now...

Squeamish 38,986 14
04/16/2002 02:49 PM

I think that's the 5th sign.



Ask Demi Moore, she knows them.

5,097 15
04/16/2002 03:35 PM

kenshin is funnier than squemish. Big Frost-ing shock there. KenShakespeare get on AIM or something, I need your great Anime Knowledge.

HisBoyElroy 10,621 13
04/16/2002 07:03 PM

not being able to turn the swearbot off = bad



having full ips displayed = bad

Superkitten 3,425 0
04/16/2002 07:10 PM

Heh. Even Kenshin, John's NUMBAR ONE FAN is pissed. Nice one, John.

Chouggy, Thumb Boy 5,183 13
04/16/2002 07:19 PM

I think John makes all these changes to get us to post in his threads.



Its all a ranking ploy!!

Jay Cornelius 411 13
04/16/2002 07:32 PM

Incapability of creativity is reserved for comedians who only insist on doing blue material.

Superkitten 3,425 0
04/16/2002 07:37 PM

Oh, suck my pulsating Regis Philbin Jr.

Queef Cracker 291 12
04/16/2002 09:48 PM

gay Pronunciation Key (g)

adj. gayer, gayest

Of, relating to, or having a sexual orientation to persons of the same sex.

Showing or characterized by cheerfulness and lighthearted excitement; merry.

Bright or lively, especially in color: a gay, sunny room.

Given to social pleasures.

Dissolute; licentious.

Gab 3.5.



n.

A person whose sexual orientation is to persons of the same sex.

A man whose sexual orientation is to men: an alliance of gays and lesbians.





[Middle English gai, lighthearted, brightly colored, from Old French, possibly of Germanic origin.]



Gab 3.5 = this

Superkitten -shitfuckcuntcock- 3,425 0
04/16/2002 11:31 PM

This will be my handle until swearbot is made optional.

131,867 36
04/17/2002 12:02 AM

Drat, drat, and triple drat!

Nutbutter 181,255 35
04/17/2002 12:25 AM

It was cute while it lasted, Lawrence.



I didn't need IPs to know it was you anyway.

vertical bob 26,707 13
04/17/2002 02:00 AM

Well, gosh golly gee willikers, this is utter poopiness!

vertical bob 26,707 13
04/17/2002 02:01 AM

Forgive my outburst.

SalsaShark: Suburban Outfitter 6,518 11
04/17/2002 02:05 AM

i'm a longtime gabber. loooooooongtime.



can't say this is what i helped chuck a TV into a river for.

1bigdork 7,825 12
04/17/2002 02:26 AM

June 1998: The first major troublemaker: an anonymous user writes an automated program which creates new conversations at a rate of one per minute, all of which contain the word "Frost," "Ogden Nash," and other witty aphorisms. We are forced to consider moderating or censoring GAB -- and for the first and only time, we break the anonymity of GAB and post his IP address.

5,097 15
04/17/2002 05:25 AM

you should underline the "only" part, and maybe post a link to wherever you got that from.

vertical bob 26,707 13
09/08/2002 02:39 PM

I seem to be missing the bored crayon. Will fuschia suffice?

Former Gabber 6 9
10/19/2003 03:48 AM

All the funny people are gone.

The Lovely Daggy 86,684 14
10/19/2003 03:53 AM

Yep! They went to Atlanta for the weekend.