Mr. Briham 38,843 10
10/11/2004 10:02 PM

No payment? Sounds like someone's asking for goatse to be on their main page!

Dead Robot 67,630 16
10/11/2004 10:03 PM

Light comes on...



Good lord...



Brilliance!!

Spiffy Napkin Smile 30,762 12
10/11/2004 10:04 PM

Not at all DR. If they don't pay you (unless your contract says otherwise) you are in complete control of the site. Hell, you COULD put goatse on the front page until they pay you. Then again...I'm a napkin.

Spiffy Napkin Smile 30,762 12
10/11/2004 10:05 PM

Just take the site down for now.

Sniggab Ofom | Mofo baggins 10,950 10
10/11/2004 10:07 PM

I say you send Goatse e-greetings to all their clients unless they pay up. Even if they don't want the site, they owe you for your time.

Trae Uvula 156,785 17
10/11/2004 10:17 PM

Friendship aside, this was business and as such you have a business relationship.



Sorry, no money for goods and services, means no goods and services. You're in the right.

BobJohnson, Lurker Extraordinaire 178,045 22
10/11/2004 10:30 PM

No, wait! Before you do anything rash like taking them to small claims court, steal the money from them!



I think it would be totally awesome if the judge made you give them the money back and then made them give the money back to you! It would be like a Monty Python sketch!

Roofie Raccoon 56,688 10
10/11/2004 10:34 PM

Have you password protected some admin functions or the site itself? Take the site down until paid. I'm with Trae on this. They won't pay until they have to.

The High Priestess of Peaches 58,875 29
10/11/2004 10:34 PM

Oh! OH! And then before the sketch ends the General can pop up and say "This is far too silly!" Brilliance!

Bonky 75,728 15
10/11/2004 11:01 PM

You should add a page to their site with a link for donations to paypal and keep the funds.





That sucks and sucky people suck.



I wanted to clarify something . . . do they owe you $60 per month and have not bothered to pay you any of it, or was it a one time charge of $60?

If it's the one time deal, will any court costs be higher than that amount?



I hate injustice and if I have to wear my Toy Story bedsheet cape into Washington, I'm getting some damn laws changed here!

Roofie Raccoon 56,688 10
10/11/2004 11:06 PM

Bonky it was 60 days to pay, not $60. It's a good question though - whether suing them is worth it.

Dead Robot 67,630 16
10/11/2004 11:09 PM

Geeze its been so long I'd have to look up their last invoice.



Pulls out toilet paper reams



Here it is...



$1500CDN



Which translates to a kick in the ass USD$



Oh right...our loonie went up on Friday. Reduced to a kick in the shins.

Lady Tabula Rasa 14,056 9
10/11/2004 11:11 PM

I had the same situation, only I was the customer and my friend was the webmaster. (INTELLECTANDEMOTION.COM)



We didn't even have a set amount or payment date, he walked up one day and asked for $50, which I gave to him.



Don't goatse for another month, just take it down for now; and after that, Emersons for everyone!

Dead Robot 67,630 16
10/11/2004 11:13 PM

We didn't even have a set amount or payment date, he walked up one day and asked for $50, which I gave to him.



Did he do it in Frontpage?

Lady Tabula Rasa 14,056 9
10/11/2004 11:21 PM

No, he didn't.



Don't make me come over there and Frontpage your ass*!



(* Walk in, start to do something, then have an error and crash)

millie 116,984 28
10/11/2004 11:34 PM

I used to do free-lance stuff (not web-design but so what--same issues). I think you should try to shut down the site if possible until they pay. If you can't, Goatse them (or Tubgirl).



I would also advise making people pay before they get the product, or at the time of receiving the product. I learned the hard way that once they have what they ordered, they don't give a Shakespeare about how long you have to wait to get paid. Other bills always come first.



People basically have no morals. They can't do something themselves, so they hire someone else to do it, but then they totally underestimate the amount of work that went into it and don't want to pay.



I don't do custom work or commissions anymore for that reason. Unless, like I said, I get the money up front.

Zackman 3,927 0
10/11/2004 11:44 PM

I had a john walk out on me once. I kicked him where it hurts then I called his wife and after that I sued him.



Same thing.

Captain Lila 78,550 13
10/11/2004 11:47 PM

I had John walk out on me once. I kicked him where it hurts then I called Jade and after that I sued him.



Not even nearly the same thing.

Dead Robot 67,630 16
10/11/2004 11:50 PM

I generally do get money up front (at least a third) before I even open up photoshop. The reason Im a bit stymied is that we've had a great biz relationship before this. These guys have never been late with other projects I've done for them (print and web) in the past and as far as I can see, they've actually grown since the spring.



Do remember that they are the ones who own the domain and server space. The only legal thing I could do is just wipe the site, not add anything to it.



Though Tubgirl would rock...its a diner and to have their customers call that up would certainly make them lose their appetite. Or triple their triple-thick orange milkshake production.

Chi-Chi Felipe 161,353 14
10/12/2004 12:02 AM

You could be a little sneakier and just have the site re-direct to a competitor's site.

Bonky 75,728 15
10/14/2004 10:38 PM

What has become of this craziness?



Have you kicked this guy in the nards yet?



Wolfman has nards?!

NaClDave 3,588 9
10/14/2004 10:55 PM

As a precaution, maybe you should watch some courtroom dramas...Perry Mason, Matlock, Devil's Advocate....you know, just to be sure you're prepared for a court battle.....

Gabe 9,232 13
10/14/2004 11:14 PM

Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, I'm just a simple unfrozen caveman lawyer. Your so called 'interweb' frightens and confuses me.

Feeble, Annoyer of Gabbers 32,400 15
10/14/2004 11:43 PM

Redirect their customers here. We're much more annoying than goatse or tubgirl.

Vitriol 341 9
10/15/2004 12:09 AM

Hahaha Gabe. Good call on the unfrozen caveman lawyer.

Feeble, Annoyer of Gabbers 32,400 15
10/15/2004 12:31 AM

Or redirect their customers swiftboatveteransfortruth.com. That'll teach them to mess with a Dead Robot!

TableTopJane...look closer 173,958 15
10/15/2004 12:35 AM

Frost. Did you ever want to make a joke, but you were worried it would offend someone? Damn it. On that note, DR you need to check your gmail.

Roofie Raccoon 56,688 10
10/15/2004 12:37 AM

TTJ, is it me? You're afraid of offending me, aren't you? It's okay, I'll love you anyway.

TableTopJane...look closer 173,958 15
10/15/2004 01:00 AM

Oh, my lovery roofie. No, it's not you.



I know enough about you to know that you're a complete whore who would only be offended if the corpse in your bed refused to pay.

Sniggab Ofom | Mofo baggins 10,950 10
10/15/2004 01:04 AM

<action> pops some popcorn and eagerly awaits the inevitably impending bitch-fight

Professor Nutbutter 181,311 35
10/15/2004 10:24 AM

Put up a chat forum on their site and post the link here.



We took care of the moms, we can take care of these guys.

Roofie Raccoon 56,688 10
10/15/2004 10:43 AM

TTJ, I could just lick you.

Dead Robot 67,630 16
10/15/2004 12:43 PM

Thats it? You send me an email to ask me if you could insult me and Im all like "oooOoo this should be fun!" and you call me a prostitute?!



Oh Come On!

Dead Robot 67,630 16
10/15/2004 12:59 PM

A Haitian prosty would have been better.

Chit From Shine-ola 178,762 15
10/15/2004 01:32 PM

Is the customer in any danger of going belly up ? I don't know if it applies to products of that nature, but with hard goods, once billed it is their property, and even if you are wharehousing the goods, they still have the right to the product and it get's dealt with as an asset and creditors like the IRS and Banks get first crack at anything of value.



My buddy shipped Maycy's $30,000 in cheap Hong Kong electronic gift items right as they went chapt. 11 and they were not obliged to pay a cent for almost a year.

Even worse, there is about a 35% defect rate with Shakespearety electronic do-dads, and he had to accept and refund cash for items he was never even paid for.



I can't imagine you getting in too much trouble, as long as you resist temptation to defame or slander them.

Dead Robot 67,630 16
10/15/2004 02:40 PM

FYI: Yesterday I recieved 1/2 payment by mail. Zip. Cheque goes into the bank. Clears! (does feild goal arm thingy) It had a note saying the other half was on its way.



Now I can afford not to go to Disney.

Chit From Shine-ola 178,762 15
10/15/2004 02:50 PM

Ohh, you got to love it when people finally do what they are Frost-ing susposed to do, don't you ?



I was thinking maybe you could download one of those cheap prank programs that make you think that you are reformatting the drives on the server and rig it to their login.



Give them a little scare.

Fuzzy Chickens 286,480 61
10/15/2004 03:20 PM

Half payment? Put up the left half of their page.

Fuzzy Chickens 286,480 61
10/15/2004 03:21 PM

Actually, the smart thing would have been to have the site go down "accidentally" so that they need you to put it back up. When they call, you tell them you have a customer who pays who has to be first in line. Just put it back up when the check(que) clears.

Fuzzy Chickens 286,480 61
10/15/2004 03:23 PM

Or, put their page back up but have all the buttons go to a page that says the rest of their page has been temporarily pawned until they pay their bills.

Jane's so good, she'd make a dead man cum 173,958 15
10/15/2004 03:36 PM

DR, I called Roofie a whore, not you.

Jane's so good, she'd make a dead man cum 173,958 15
10/15/2004 03:36 PM

You should give them teh AIDS.

Rivel 12 8
10/15/2004 03:50 PM

i would redirect the url to a poo pron page.

but thats just me...

Dead Robot 67,630 16
10/15/2004 03:58 PM

Oh now Jane is making fun of my dementia. Nice.



Heartless wom...



trees!

Roofie Raccoon 56,688 10
10/15/2004 09:02 PM

DR, I could see how you got confused. We're both whores and she likes us both. Easy peasy.

Sy the photo guy 6,547 10
10/15/2004 09:21 PM

DR, my dad said you started a thread with my name in the title. I didn't get a chance to read it. Can someone give me a linky?

Jane's so good, she'd make a dead man cum 173,958 15
10/15/2004 09:22 PM

Frost!