KChiki - Still not Chi Chi! 128,446 98
02/12/2010 03:49 AM

Biggest. Notebook. EVER.

High Priestess sayth: GEAUX SAINTS! 58,967 29
02/12/2010 03:59 AM

2100 pages!

CRITICAL HIT!

Whistler P. McManus 186,130 44
02/12/2010 11:12 AM

Chicken's shouldn't watch. He'll disagree with most everything.

Don't worry about that. Chickens agrees with some very weird stuff.

Blue Suede Shempxistential Blues 22,222 17
02/12/2010 04:06 PM

What does it matter what anyone believes?

Creation or Evolution. When you get right down to it. When you boil all the bull Shakespeare away, they are the same thing.


Creation = There was nothing, then all of a sudden there was something (in this case God, and the Creation), now there's us.

Evolution = There was nothing, then all of a sudden there was something (in this case the Big Bang, and Evolution), now there's us.

Whistler P. McManus 186,130 44
02/12/2010 09:21 PM

Maybe you should lay off the weed for a while, Shempy.

Manhole 21,658 29
02/13/2010 04:27 AM

There was nothing, then all of a sudden there was something

I would agree that the Big Bang Theory, which states that the universe was birthed in a giant burst of energy, sounds a bit like a fairy tale. But there is a huge difference between it and the Creation story. It's not BS, it's science.

The Big Bang Theory was largely developed from observations made by Edwin Hubble in the 1920's. These observation of galaxies moving away from us at a linear rate combined with the discovery of background radiation and measurements from the COBE satellite led to the widespread popularity of the Big Bang Theory.

The Creation story was developed from what many believe an ancient campfire story that was added upon and tweaked as it was passed down from generation to generation. Eventually resulting in the Genesis story found in the Bible.

But to each his own I guess. Keep in mind that the only thing that separates the Big Bang Theory from Creation is time. And it was discovered that time was variable about 100 years ago. It is possible to fit 13 billion years into a few thousand, for I have calculated it.

Big Irish Guy 203,956 21
02/13/2010 04:32 AM

I don't mind Big Bang Theory, but I prefer How I Met Your Mother. I have never seen Creation, what channel is it on?

Dogs Akimbo 211,612 32
02/13/2010 04:49 AM

If it wasn't for christianity, we would have those freakin' flying cars by now.

UnderWhere? 101,398 77
02/13/2010 05:11 AM

The Big Bang Theory was largely developed from observations made by Edwin Hubble in the 1920's. These observation of galaxies moving away from us at a linear rate combined with the discovery of background radiation and measurements from the COBE satellite led to the widespread popularity of the Big Bang Theory.

w00t! Penzias and Wilson represent!

Blue Suede Shempxistential Blues 22,222 17
02/13/2010 02:03 PM

I would agree that the Big Bang Theory, which states that the universe was birthed in a giant burst of energy, sounds a bit like a fairy tale. But there is a huge difference between it and the Creation story. It's not BS, it's science.

The Creation story was developed from what many believe an ancient campfire story that was added upon and tweaked as it was passed down from generation to generation. Eventually resulting in the Genesis story found in the Bible.

Indeed, many Creation myths start in a void with no light, a sea of darkness, or a voided sea of darkness with no light.

The two we are most familiar with are The Christian Creation Myth, and the Big Bang Theory. But there are many more.


The Norse Creation Myth: In the beginning, there was no earth, no sea, no sky. Only the emptiness of Ginnungagap, waiting to be filled.


The Mayan: In the beginning there were only Tepeu and Gucumatz. These two sat together and thought, and whatever they thought came into being. They thought earth, and there it was. They thought mountains, and so there were. They thought trees, and sky, and animals.


The Maori: Io is known as the Supreme Being and ex nihilo (out of nothing) creator of the entire universe. He creates Ranginui (Rangi) and Papatuanuku (Papa), Sky Father and the Earth Mother, respectively. The sky and earth produce numerous offspring while they are physically, “cleaved together in a procreative embrace.”


Either way, they all say that every thing came out of nothing. And as my man Billy Preston sang, " Nothin' from nothin' leaves nothin'."

Whistler P. McManus 186,130 44
02/13/2010 06:42 PM

Shemp, are you being deliberately obtuse, or are you really so thick as to not understand the difference between a scientific theory and a myth? And do you really not see the harm in perpetuating the myth of creationism?

'Cause I'd be happy as a clam to explain it, but if it's not necessary, I'll spare everyone else my lecture.

Alpha Maelstrom (click name for disclaimer) 5,097 15
02/13/2010 06:58 PM

'Cause I'd be happy as a clam to explain it, but if it's not necessary, I'll spare everyone else my lecture.

If you'd ever been a clam, you wouldn't say that.

Brad Poynter 36,184 48
02/14/2010 12:15 AM

I see the point that shemp may or may not be trying to make.

The only difference between myth and science is how much we know about the universe.

Myths were created by observing nature and personifying its aspects into gods so the childlike minds of early humans could grasp the basic principals. We had not yet created the tools needed to find the reasons why things happen, so if a bunch of people got sick from eating pork, they assumed that was god's way of saying "Dont eat that."

I think that many of the thoughts behind these myths were very clever and based on rational thinking. Take christianity's rules and taboos reguarding sex for instance. No sex before marriage, and no sex outside the marriage after that.

What the hell? These were rules created by guys after all, so if it was just strictly based on wants one would think the first commandment would be "Thou Shall Put Out." I believe that this was a failed attempt at eleminating venerial diseases by stopping their transmission. If you don't have sex until you are married, then you won't catch anything unless you marry someone who is infected. No sex outside the marriage would keep the infected pairs from spreading it. If everyone followed that plan, STD's would be extinct in three or four generations. However, since humans like to bang this isn't ever going to happen but it was a good try. The bastards.

Science uses observations of nature to discover facts which it then strings together into theories about things we don't really understand. These theories are then stated as fact until they are disproved, which I liken to a pre-teen who thinks they know everything, but will accept being proven wrong. I think thats the age we are currently at as a species; We think we are all grown up but we haven't even hit puberty yet.

Cinderblock 27,578 25
02/14/2010 12:59 AM

Science uses observations of nature to discover facts which it then strings together into theories about things we don't really understand.

Just because YOU don't understand it doesn't means someone with a PhD in astrophysics doesn't have a firm grasp of the matter. Also, the Big Bang Theory doesn't state that the universe "exploded out of nothing." It suggests that there was a sudden and great expansion from an extremely dense state. Are you not aware of the myriad of data that is continuously being collected that still supports and expands upon this theory?

Taco Crunch: it's got electrolytes 61,976 36
02/14/2010 01:26 AM

I figured in the era of the LHC and the prospect of observing actual Higgs-Boson mass we'd be past this whole big bang and evolution vs. imaginary friend for adults debate in the USA, but I guess not.

Brad Poynter 36,184 48
02/14/2010 02:34 AM

I'm not debating any particular theory or its accuracy, I'm just saying its hubris to rule out anything at this point.

I guess it could just be the fact that I am still pissed about the whole pluto thing. The bastards.

The Mailman 176,467 56
02/14/2010 02:44 AM

I'm just saying its hubris to rule out anything at this point.

Damn straight. My theory is the entire world is made of snow and cotton candy, and I demand that American elementary schools teach that to the children.

Cinderblock 27,578 25
02/14/2010 02:44 AM

Taco, I'm so scared that ignorant faith will always dominate scientific evidence.

Hold me.

Just Plain Jeeni 47,812 51
02/14/2010 03:23 AM

Who knew sketches on a 2100 page notebook would evoke such deep discussion!

Dogs Akimbo 211,612 32
02/14/2010 06:09 AM

I loaned the Saviour money to get his car out of the tow lot, and now that mother-Froster doesn't exist and I'm out a hundred bucks.

Blue Suede Shempxistential Blues 22,222 17
02/14/2010 01:21 PM

I'm not debating any particular theory or its accuracy, I'm just saying its hubris to rule out anything at this point.

I guess it could just be the fact that I am still pissed about the whole pluto thing. The bastards.



A-Frost-ing-men!



A. We know that the Creation myth is in fact a myth. There are dozens if not hundreds of Creation myths that predate the Christian Creation myth. And They all have a common theme. There was nothing, then some super-human-highly-intellegent being, pops out of nothing and eventually creates humans. Many creation myths share other themes as well. Great floods, the battle between good and evil, the End of the World. What does this all tell us? It tells us that the Christians just ripped off older stories to explain what they couldnt explain.

2. Scientist dont even know, or even agree on how life started on this planet. So how do people figure they must still know how everything got started?

Plus a lot of this stuff is just told to people and they just believe it, just like people do with religion.

For instance, it is common knowledge that the Sun, is roughly 93 million miles from Earth. Ok I believe it. But why? And how do I know it's right? I don't have the tools and knowhow to measure the distance between the Sun and Earth? Do you?

Well, Shemp its in school books its on the internet its gotta be true. A scientist told me. But you can say the same for BS religion. Just switch scientist with priest.

And, this is my conspiracy nut coming out, a lot of these scientist are gubment funded. Do you think that if they found the answer to Life the Universe and Everything, that they would tell us?


I think the truth will be stranger then any of us can imagine.

Blue Suede Shempxistential Blues 22,222 17
02/14/2010 01:25 PM

Bizarro.


BIZARRO!


BIZARRO!


BIZARRO!

Blue Suede Shempxistential Blues 22,222 17
02/14/2010 01:52 PM

And do you really not see the harm in perpetuating the myth of creationism?





Whooaaa! Hold on there ol' Feller. Adjust your bifocals and check the batteries on you hearing aid. I never said it was right or that it should be perperuated. I think that Adam and Eve are as unlikely, as me ever recieving a Handy-J from Beyonce while Mariah Carey tosses my salad, and Lady Gaga shoves her penis in my mouth.

Whistler P. McManus 186,130 44
02/14/2010 02:00 PM

A reasonably bright 11th grader could calculate the distance from the earth to the sun, even if s/he hasn't yet taken calculus or physics. So go smoke another bowl.

Blue Suede Shempxistential Blues 22,222 17
02/14/2010 02:09 PM

I figured in the era of the LHC

Yeah, how's that working out?

They turned it on and it broke.

I got excited to see what it could do too that I got scientific blue balls when it didnt work.









and the prospect of observing actual Higgs-Boson mass we'd be past this whole big bang and evolution vs. imaginary friend for adults debate in the USA, but I guess not.

My debate is not Creation vs. Evolution. My debate is Creation and Evolution could both be wrong.

Creation is obviously wrong.

Evolution has much, much, much more evidence. But just like with the OJ trial. Evidence can be misplaced and or tampered with. Evidence, espically old evidence can be misread. People can be misplaced or tamperd with.

Anyway the point is moot. I wasnt being pro Creation or Evolution. If anything, I'm starting to feel sort of nilistic.

Blue Suede Shempxistential Blues 22,222 17
02/14/2010 02:14 PM

A reasonably bright 11th grader could calculate the distance from the earth to the sun, even if s/he hasn't yet taken calculus or physics. So go smoke another bowl.


If I go smoke a bowl, everytime you tell me to go smoke a bowl. I'd be really high, and start posting some really stupid Shakespeare.

Blue Suede Shempxistential Blues 22,222 17
02/14/2010 02:15 PM

Not that I havent all ready.

Blue Suede Shempxistential Blues 22,222 17
02/14/2010 02:44 PM

Ok, I must tell you all what I really believe. So you wont think I'm crazy.


I believe that long ago, in a galaxy far, far away. There lived an immense and repulsively titanic being. His name was Orbgg. Orbgg, for may millenia just floated along in the darkness and chaos of the void. Sitting on his couch, eating Cheetos, and watching re-runs of F-Troop. Then one day Orbgg decided it would be nice to have some company. Now Orbgg could just think many things into existance, but he could not think living beings into existance. So he had to come up with another way. Orbgg sat for a long time, on his couch in his underware, with the DVR recording F-Troop, thinking. Finally he came up with an idea. Orbgg pulled his underware to the side, grabbed his galatic dick and started to masturbate like crazy. As he began to climax, Orbgg bent over to recive the load, Cheeto crumbs and all into his mouth. Now all he needed was a catalyst to spark life...Diet Coke. He chugged a mouth full of the elixir, and shwoosed his semen, cheeto crumbs, and Diet Coke in his mouth mightily for six days. On the 7th day, he spat the magical concoction into the void. And the planets were formed. The vermin living in his couch populated some of the planets and live there to this day. Which is where we come from. We are the Church of the Couch Potato. Well so far I am the only member, but anyone is welcome. Come, take your pants off, sit, fart, relax F-Troop is on.

Filly 39,193 20
02/14/2010 02:49 PM

And, this is my conspiracy nut coming out, a lot of these scientist are gubment funded. Do you think that if they found the answer to Life the Universe and Everything, that they would tell us?

You must hold the government in a much higher regard than I do in order to believe they are capable of convincing thousands of scientists across different countries to all tweak their data in many different fields to all come up with the same result.

People don't think something as simple as the global warming papers are a conspiracy; how could thousands of scientific papers across the world be one?

Dianada 57,835 109
02/14/2010 02:54 PM

What the hell is going on with this poor thread?

Filly 39,193 20
02/14/2010 02:58 PM

This is what happens when I drink. I debate evolution/creationism. Sadly, it's not the first (and I doubt it will be the last) time it's happened.

...I'm so not cool.

Dianada 57,835 109
02/14/2010 03:00 PM

I still lurve you, Filly. The others, not so much.

Blue Suede Shempxistential Blues 22,222 17
02/14/2010 03:05 PM

Ok, ok. I will put the bowl down and slowly stumble away to go get my bong.

Blue Suede Shempxistential Blues 22,222 17
02/14/2010 03:09 PM

What the hell is going on with this poor thread?



I Shemped all the funny out of it.

dasypygal-unwaxed 14,803 17
02/14/2010 03:11 PM

I'll take the Big Bang for Valentine's Day.

As usual I got nothing, not a goddam thing.

dinesh 24,862 16
02/14/2010 03:16 PM

This is what happens when I drink.

What a god damned shame. :p

Blue Suede Shempxistential Blues 22,222 17 Ques the 1970s porn music, dims the lights
02/14/2010 03:19 PM

I'll take the Big Bang for Valentine's Day.


Baby, every day is a Big Bang with me.

Whistler P. McManus 186,130 44
02/14/2010 03:48 PM

I still lurve you, Filly. The others, not so much.

Dianada! I'm so hurt. After all I've done while thinking of you.

Cinderblock 27,578 25
02/14/2010 04:06 PM

Scientist dont even know, or even agree on how life started on this planet.

Actually, if you read about...

Okay, you know what? Never mind. I throw in the towel. I wash my hands of this thread. God made a boom-boom and it was good. You win.

Blue Suede Shempxistential Blues 22,222 17
02/14/2010 06:01 PM

Okay, you know what? Never mind. I throw in the towel. I wash my hands of this thread. God made a boom-boom and it was good. You win.



Okay, I'll say it one last time. Nice and slow, and I'll use exact words.



I never said that God created us, the universe, or the pimples on my ass. I started out saying, if you just look at both theories, they both seem a little far fetched. And the Live Science police came at me with billy clubs flying. So I just kept it going.

I dont win. I didnt win.

I wasnt trying to win anything. I wasnt pro Creation when this thread started and I'm still not Pro Creation. The Catholics had me brainwashed when I was a kid but I'm much better now.

Okay, here it is... I dont believe in any Creation myth besides the one of Orbgg, so please stop acting like I do.

Huggs and Kisses,
Grand Puba of Orbgg, Shemp.

Major Inconvenience 115 7
02/14/2010 06:17 PM

I love how a cool video sparked a debate on creationism. To this, I say: PASTAFARIANISM!!!

Whistler P. McManus 186,130 44
02/14/2010 08:34 PM

Catholics aren't creationists. Well, maybe some are, but official church policy is that Darwin had it right, but the hand of God was still in there. Genesis is allegorical. Trust me. I was a captive of the priests and nuns for ten years.

Alpha Maelstrom (click name for disclaimer) 5,097 15
02/14/2010 09:36 PM

Catholics aren't creationists. Well, maybe some are, but official church policy is that Darwin had it right, but the hand of God was still in there. Genesis is allegorical. Trust me. I was a captive of the priests and nuns for ten years.

Scary to think that Catholics are the most rational of all Xians. In other news, whistler, get on yahoo sometime.

Taco Crunch: it's got electrolytes 61,976 36
02/14/2010 09:39 PM

We get is Shemp, you're not a creationist. You're still wrong though.

Brad Poynter 36,184 48
02/14/2010 10:08 PM

I think its funny how both Shemp and I called several religious beliefs myths but because we busted on the scientists were automatically labeled creationists.

Yes, I believe in a higher power partially because of all the coincidences that scientists have discovered that made life possible on this planet. The planet being in the right orbit, our so far unique moon keeping our axis stable, the amount of molten iron in the earths core creating a protective magnetic field to shild us from solar radiation, several giant planets catching debris headed towards the sun. There are many many things that we have found that on their own would be considered a lucky break for life, but put them all together and its hard to believe that it all just came together out of sheer luck.

That being said, I don't believe that any religion has the awnsers either. All i'm saying is that scientists assume a lot based on what they know to be true. For all we know we will discover that dark matter is like the water that the universe floats in and its just a ripple making it look like everything is going away from the galatic center.

Taco Crunch: it's got electrolytes 61,976 36
02/14/2010 10:27 PM

NONE OF THAT IS "COINCIDENCE" AND ALL OF THIS BULLShakespeare "SCIENTISTS DON'T KNOW" THEY DAMN WELL DO YOU'RE JUST NOT VERY WELL-READ ON THE SUBJECT JESUSFrost-ingCHRIST.

Brad Poynter 36,184 48
02/14/2010 10:55 PM

haha made you type in all caps.

neiner neiner.

High Priestess sayth: GEAUX SAINTS! 58,967 29
02/14/2010 11:39 PM

Holy Shakespeare! I just wanted to show ya'll a funny flip book! Calm the Frost down!

Under Under Duck 101,398 77
02/14/2010 11:50 PM

redshifts slowly away from thread

The universe's expansion rate is actually speeding up, but Frogpop always makes me laugh.

I'm a homeschooler, and I spent 3 weeks this year teaching my 12-year-old about the Big Bang theory. So far, we haven't talked at all about Christianity, though we spent 4 weeks on the Ancient Egyptians & their gods, and almost two months focusing on Islam and modern Muslims.

Fear my freakishness.

Bill the Squirrel 53,270 54
02/15/2010 12:05 AM

Is it too late in the thread to say I believe in Star Trek's version of creation?

Randall Cleveland 49,019 14
02/15/2010 01:17 AM

Someone in this thread does not know the proper usage for the word, "myriad."

I didn't read the rest of it.

Shell Belle 77,143 25
02/15/2010 01:22 AM

As a former biology teacher, of course I think that intelligent design is bunk. I wasn't even allowed to mention it to my students though, and if they brought up the topic of God, I had to steer the conversation away. Which wasn't easy, since I live in an area where people are very religious.

It always went something like this:

Student: I learned in church that God created life. Isn't that true?

Me: Who wants gum?

Manhole 21,658 29
02/15/2010 01:27 AM

I don't have the tools and knowhow to measure the distance between the Sun and Earth? Do you?

Yes. This number can be found by triangulation. You need to know the solar parallax and the Earth's radius. I don't remember how you get the solar parallax but to get the radius all you need is a stick and a sunny day. By measuring the length of the sticks shadow in two different places, you can not only determine that the Earth is round, you can also determine just how round it is. They figured all this out a long long long long long long long time ago Shemp.

The Write Straw 98,023 37
02/15/2010 01:27 AM

Evolution has much, much, much more evidence. But just like with the OJ trial. Evidence can be misplaced and or tampered with. Evidence, espically old evidence can be misread. People can be misplaced or tamperd with.


He's right, you know. I saw it on the X-Files.

Dogs Akimbo 211,612 32
02/15/2010 01:31 AM

Someone in this thread does not know the proper usage for the word, "myriad", but thinks that they do.

Just Plain Jeeni 47,812 51
02/15/2010 01:31 AM

Let's talk about something lighter, like... politics or abortion!

Under Under Duck 101,398 77
02/15/2010 01:32 AM

Straw, I don't know how you get anything done. If I were married to Manhole, I'd just sit and listen to him talk nerdy to me.

Manhole 21,658 29
02/15/2010 02:03 AM

Shemp and Mr. Poynter do have a point in that scientist are not perfect. And we should not just turn a blind eye to alternate theories. Consider the following example.

Several months ago I listened to H. G. Wells "The Time Machine" for the fist time. Toward the end of the book, the time traveler travels to a point far in the future, and describes the Sun as being much larger than normal with a dull red hue. He then recollects on why it's that way, that he must have traveled to the last days on Earth, and that the sun was cooling down.

This made me pause for a moment. I turned off my car radio and began to think about what I'd just heard. Cooling down? What was the author playing at? It soon dawned on me that the book was written in the late 1800's. And back then, the astronomers of the world thought the Sun was a giant piece of burning coal. And that one day it would burn out.

This is what astronomers believed based upon the best evidence they had for that time period. This is what they taught in schools. Yet they couldn't have been more wrong.

Moral of the story, there are certainly theories being taught in todays textbooks that are not correct. They are mere educated guesses based upon observations made by people that are a lot smarter than me and you. Believe them? Yes, but keep an open mind.

Dogs Akimbo 211,612 32
02/15/2010 02:10 AM

Science is not a belief, it's a process. Just like pooping.

Frozen Chickens Section 286,634 61
02/15/2010 02:11 AM

MORE. COMEDY. JOKES.

Frozen Chickens Section 286,634 61
02/15/2010 02:11 AM

Also, I think there should be more art critics.

Dogs Akimbo 211,612 32
02/15/2010 02:14 AM

Your velvet painting of Elvis sucks. Why would you get the fat Elvis?

The Mailman 176,467 56
02/15/2010 02:14 AM

MORE. COMEDY. JOKES.

As opposed to tragedy jokes?

Dogs Akimbo 211,612 32
02/15/2010 02:18 AM

Two Haitian earthquake victims go into a bar...

peoriagrace 6,166 11
02/15/2010 03:20 AM

You all are crazy; the world is a flat disc held up by resting on the backs of four huge elephants which are in turn standing on the back of an enormous turtle, named Great A'Tuin.

Brad Poynter 36,184 48
02/15/2010 03:48 AM

Thank you Manhole. That was the point I was trying to make and from the looks of it failed miserably.

At least I still have my dignity reputation self-esteem penis.

High Priestess sayth: GEAUX SAINTS! 58,967 29
02/15/2010 04:42 AM

At least I still have my penis.

Nope, all men must turn in their penii when join Gab. You haven't earned yours back yet. Try harder.

Millie 116,988 28
02/15/2010 08:49 AM

Me: Who wants gum?

Shelle Belle, what kind of teacher were you? When I was growing up, gum was verboten in school. If a nun caught you with gum, you had to stick it on the end of your nose for the rest of the day.

Yeah...I only skimmed the longer posts in this thread...

Shell Belle 77,143 25
02/15/2010 11:14 AM

I taught high school, so gum was allowed as long as the teacher was alright with it. I didn't mind it.

GenericGuy 284 7
02/15/2010 11:29 AM

As long as there's debate, might as well keep it up...

I'm a creationist. Not young-earth, 6000-year-old creation, mind you. Old-earth creation. The stuff no one's ever heard of but has the most evidence for it. Cosmology, teleology, Cambrian explosion, and the like.

I doubt I'll get any clickies for this though.

Taco Crunch: it's got electrolytes 61,976 36
02/15/2010 12:15 PM

Not if you're not going to explain and back up your beliefs you're not.

GenericGuy 284 7
02/15/2010 12:58 PM

OK, if you insist. 4 pieces of evidence.

-Everything that begins to exist has a cause. The universe began to exist, therefore it must have a cause.

-The characteristics of the universe are such that if any one force, proportion of element, etc. were changed by even the slightest of slight amounts, no life would exist, or the universe would not have developed. This is far too great to be by chance, so it must be by design.

-In the Cambrian explosion, many to all phyla developed over a short, 3-5 million year time period. (And yes, in the course of the origins of life, that is a short time. Very, very short.) This is too much change in too little time for purely evolutionary causes to have cause this; therefore, there must be an external cause.

-DNA contains an incredibly elaborate, complex, and large amount of information - in fact, human DNA contains more information than the Encyclopedia Brittanica. There is no way that this information could have come about by chance, so it must come from an external mind.

May I have my clickies now?

Cinderblock 27,578 25
02/15/2010 01:03 PM

Musings do not equal evidence. WHERE ARE MY CLICKIES, BITCH?

GenericGuy 284 7
02/15/2010 01:10 PM

What in there was musing? That was scientific evidence.

I'm not even gonna bother with the whole clicky-thing, cause I know I'm not gonna get any. (And yes, I know darn well that that's what she said.)

Thud 68,517 19
02/15/2010 01:13 PM

Where to start...

Thud 68,517 19
02/15/2010 01:13 PM

Scotch. Yep, that's it.

Manhole 21,658 29
02/15/2010 03:16 PM

I believe in the Tooth Fairy. According to the great Tooth in the sky, Dandelions are sacred. And must not be harmed. I therefor make a motion to outlaw all lawnmowers. For they could harm the dandelions. Anyone caught with a lawnmower shall be put to death. Amen.

Manhole 21,658 29
02/15/2010 03:18 PM

Holy Shakespeare Thud... That Scotch stuff really works!

Blue Suede Shempxistential Blues 22,222 17
02/15/2010 03:24 PM

I believe, that children are our future, we should teach them well, and let them lead the way, and maybe, just maybe show them all the beauty they posses inside.

Blue Suede Shempxistential Blues 22,222 17
02/15/2010 03:27 PM

I believe that God is a bullet.

Manhole 21,658 29
02/15/2010 03:31 PM

I believe that God likes his steaks medium rare.

Blue Suede Shempxistential Blues 22,222 17
02/15/2010 03:34 PM

I believe that God likes his steaks medium rare.



What man doesnt?


That's right I dont believe in God, but if I did he'd be a man! A woman would just Frost Shakespeare up all and Shakespeare.

Nachos 57,521 23
02/15/2010 07:34 PM

-Everything that begins to exist has a cause. The universe began to exist, therefore it must have a cause.

I actually agree with that (although I have no opinion as to whether or not it was a deity of some sort), however it's a circular argument.

You're saying that God exists, right? Therefore what caused God? And what caused that? And that? And that?

FOR THE LOVE OF GOD'S GOD'S GOD'S GOD MAN, WHERE DOES IT END?!

Now if you'll excuse me I'm off to sacrifice something to the ber-god.

missfett 72 10
02/15/2010 07:40 PM

That's right I dont believe in God, but if I did he'd be a man! A woman would just Frost Shakespeare up all and Shakespeare.

"dont" should have an apostrophy.

...just Frost Shakespeare up all...and Shakespeare?

Woman.

Taco Crunch: it's got electrolytes 61,976 36
02/15/2010 10:16 PM

I love what passes as "science" nowadays. Ugh. You get no clickies. Personal foul, ten yard penalty, fourth down. Time to punt it away.

Thud, pass me the scotch.

Cinderblock 27,578 25
02/15/2010 10:20 PM

This should be everyone's BFF.

Crusty Ninja 32 6
02/15/2010 10:29 PM

OK, if you insist. 4 pieces of evidence.

Those aren't peices of evidence, they're assumptions.

Duke Ravos IV 63,472 21
02/15/2010 10:48 PM

I got excited to see what it could do too that I got scientific blue balls when it didnt work.

fix'd

MORE. COMEDY. JOKES.

You're doing it wrong. Allow me.

COMEDY. SITE.

In the Cambrian explosion, many to all phyla developed over a short, 3-5 million year time period.

Phla is a lot older than I expected. Curiouser and curiouser.

Millie 116,988 28
02/16/2010 02:31 AM

Why do people refuse to believe that things could have just happened by chance; that the universe and everything in it ended up this way by a series of events that were not planned by anyone, but just happened?

It doesn't bother me one bit to think that there is no rhyme or reason why we're here, and when we are gone, we're gone. I don't know what happens after we die or if there is a grand scheme, and I don't care.

The uncertainty doesn't bother me; I don't need to believe in something.

All that having been said, I lean more toward things that have concrete scientific evidence backing them up than something written by some ignorant person thousands of years ago.

Cyco Ivan 11,330 11
02/16/2010 03:38 AM

You're all wrong. I am god, and you are all figments of my imagination, just a little diversion while I was creating and destoying planets. Being a god's not too bad, my only problem is that I suffer from low self esteem, and sometimes I don't believe in myself and I cease to exist.

Ok, that was a lame ass joke, but at least I'm trying to be topically funny.

Duke Ravos IV 63,472 21
02/16/2010 03:50 AM

So I got my little cousin a tickle me Nietzsche doll. When you tickle him, he says 'I still don't believe in God.' It's so cute. And it came with a tickle me God who says 'If I don't exist, then how comes I'm so ticklish?'

GenericGuy 284 7
02/16/2010 06:42 AM

You're saying that God exists, right? Therefore what caused God? And what caused that? And that? And that?

I said everything that begins to exist has a cause. The evidence shows that the universe began to exist (Big Bang, doppler shift), therefore it must have a cause. God, on the other hand, exists outside of the space-time universe; therefore he is eternal, never began to exist, and does not need a cause.

Those aren't peices of evidence, they're assumptions.

Please explain to me how they are assumptions. I'm using scientific evidence that has been discovered about the universe.

Why do people refuse to believe that things could have just happened by chance; that the universe and everything in it ended up this way by a series of events that were not planned by anyone, but just happened?

Because the chance is far too slim. And I don't mean lottery-slim. I mean the chance of the entire universe, including all the life on Earth, forming by pure chance is something along the lines of the same as a blindfolded man picking a single marked grain of sand out of the entire Sahara desert - three times.

All that having been said, I lean more toward things that have concrete scientific evidence backing them up than something written by some ignorant person thousands of years ago.

Which is why I'm giving concrete scientific evidence. And besides, people thousands of years ago were not ignorant. For example, the ancient Greeks figured out the circumference of the earth with sticks and shadows. Also, if you're going to throw out one work because it was written by "some ignorant person thousands of years ago," why not throw out all of them? Including the histories of Tacitus, Josephus, and the like, as well as those of the ancient Greeks? Didn't think so.

Bill the Squirrel 53,270 54
02/16/2010 06:51 AM

Here is proof that God exists:

The Mailman 176,467 56
02/16/2010 06:55 AM

Here is a proof that he doesn't.

The Mailman 176,467 56
02/16/2010 07:06 AM

Let me sum up GenericGuy's point of view:

"It's ludicrous to say that the universe doesn't have a cause! It is unlikely to have happened like that by pure chance, and unlikely equals impossible! There is scientific evidence of this! Therefore, everything has a cause, except God. God doesn't count because I believe in him."

KChiki - Still not Chi Chi! 128,446 98
02/16/2010 07:10 AM

I just want to weigh in quickly and add that I don’t agree with the argument that “the chances are much too slim”. We’re talking about the entire universe. It’s my opinion that complex life most likely isn’t as unique as it seems. The Earth just happens to be in the correct range from our sun, relative to its size, to have moderate temperatures that are ideal for the growth and sustainment of complex life.

With that said, there are billions of stars in our galaxy alone, each with their own planets that could possibly be orbiting in just the right range for moderate temperatures based on the size of their star. Then, there are billions and BILLIONS of galaxies (a conservative estimate) that have billions of stars in them, etc, etc. The chances of finding a planet inhabited by sentient purple unicorns exist based on the amount of probable circumstances.

Also, the chances that the entire universe occurred "by chance" increase if you take into account that we know very little about how the universe works at all. It's entirely possible that we are NOT the only universe, and that universes pop into and out of existence all the time. We're just so small and limited in our scope that we can't possibly observe the bigger picture.

KChiki - Still not Chi Chi! 128,446 98
02/16/2010 07:12 AM

And yes, I wrote my post in Word.

Thud 68,517 19
02/16/2010 08:26 AM

I'm using scientific evidence that has been discovered about the universe.

GenericGuy, you are right. You are using scientific evidence.

You are using it inappropriately in an attempt to support your point of view and ignoring the scientific method, but you are using evidence. Here's a cookie.

Madness 4,366 10
02/16/2010 08:33 AM

Religion was born from people's need to understand the world around them, and back then it was easier to say "MY INVISIBLE CLOUD LURKING PAL DID IT" than say "Hmm, that's strange, this requires more research" (unfortunately still the case for many people dumbasses in modern times.)

Case in point, lightning and thunder:

Attributed by religion to an angry God
Proven by science to be caused by an atmospheric electrical discharge

Religious "science":
Forever discredited

Religious science (eg creationism) and arguably religion as a whole is a crutch that humans could and should have done away with long ago.

GenericGuy 284 7
02/16/2010 09:26 AM

Let me sum up GenericGuy's point of view: (and so on)

Those were 2 separate pieces of evidence. I said the scientific evidence points towards the universe having a beginning. I cited the doppler "red-shift" in stars discovered by Hubble as an example of this evidence.. Since the universe began to exist, it must have a cause for its existence. This cause is God. However, we cannot have an eternal regress of causes, as we would never get to the cause that brought about the universe. Therefore, there must be an external first cause (God). However, if God existed within the space-time contigents of the universe, he would need a cause for his existence. The only explanation is that God exists outside of space-time, and is the external cause for the universe.

The probability argument is actually a lot more intricate than most people realize. There are over 150 characteristics and constants of the universe that have to be fine-tuned to an extremely narrow range in order to produce life. For example, if the proportion of dark energy in the universe were changed by 1 part in 10 to the 120th power, the universe would not exist. And that's just 1 characteristic! Given that mathematicians consider 1 in 10 to the 50th to be essentially zero, I think it's a safe bet to assume design.

Also, there are well over 50 fine-tuned characteristics for planets, as well, to be able to produce life. They have to be in the right type of galaxy and the right distance from their star, not to mention having a near-circular orbit rather than an eccentric one. That's just a few.

So if you want to sum up my viewpoint, it would be this: Science supports religion. I've done a LOT of research on this, and Jesus (and creation) has held up every time.

GenericGuy 284 7
02/16/2010 09:28 AM

Oh, and just for a visual, here's what 10 to the 20th power looks like:

1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000, 000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000, 000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000, 000,000,000.

This is 10 to the 50th.

100,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000.

Lota zeros to think about, isn't it?

Bill the Squirrel 53,270 54
02/16/2010 09:35 AM

Does your God say that 10 to the 20th power is more than 10 to the 50th?

Taco Crunch: it's got electrolytes 61,976 36
02/16/2010 09:47 AM

I'm going to go drink draino now, have a good night everyone.

Millie 116,988 28
02/16/2010 09:52 AM

Generic Guy, you broke the thread.

Anyway, I don't see how anyone can calculate the chances that the universe just happened by chance. There are so many points in the evolution of Earth (if you believe in that thing) were things could have gone one way or another based on something random.

I suppose someone else could use my previous sentence as proof that things weren't random and there was a hand of a designer somewhere. I don't believe it. Things just happen and then other things happen as a result.

No one is ever going to convince me that God exists. The Catholic Church beat that whole idea out of me when I was growing up.

GenericGuy 284 7
02/16/2010 10:28 AM

Dang it, I meant to the 120th power.

High Priestess sayth: GEAUX SAINTS! 58,967 29
02/16/2010 10:35 AM

I just want yall to know that I got another trophy because of your collective childish ramblings. Now look what you've done, you've given me a false sense of self worth. When I find out that you only keep me around for my rack, I'm a going to be crushed. Again.

I believe in a creation/evolution mix. Evolution is a proven science, like gravity and ice cream. Yet I do believe that there is a higher power out there that coughed, or flicked a toenail or something that started our creation. And we have the free will to believe in the toenail or not. And our 'great' nation has seen to enforce the undeniable personal right to have a freedom of (or lack of) religion.

So we can bicker to the end of time about how stupid someone is for thinking this way; or we can agree to disagree and shut the Frost up. If this thread gets any longer, someone is going to strap a bomb to their chest and blow themselves up for no good reason.

I would prefer to let this thread die then kill the funny any longer. Pass the scotch Thud, Momma's thirsty.

High Priestess sayth: GEAUX SAINTS! 58,967 29
02/16/2010 10:53 AM

And who broke my damn thread?

Madness 4,366 10
02/16/2010 10:58 AM

The probability argument is actually a lot more intricate than most people realize. There are over 150 characteristics and constants of the universe that have to be fine-tuned to an extremely narrow range in order to produce life. For example, if the proportion of dark energy in the universe were changed by 1 part in 10 to the 120th power, the universe would not exist. And that's just 1 characteristic! Given that mathematicians consider 1 in 10 to the 50th to be essentially zero, I think it's a safe bet to assume design.

Your assertions fail to address the principles of entropy and equilibrium.

Ladies and gentlemen, let it be known that creationism has been defeated by the grade 11 chemistry curriculum.

GenericGuy 284 7
02/16/2010 11:57 AM

Your assertions fail to address the principles of entropy and equilibrium.

What about entropy and equilibrium disproves what I have said? Please elaborate.

High Priestess sayth: GEAUX SAINTS! 58,967 29
02/16/2010 12:07 PM

Please elaborate.

NO. Shut up. Take your discussion out of this thread and off Gab. Email each other privatly or something, but stop this! It's almost as bad as Lobsterthread!

Frogpop 173,153 25
02/16/2010 01:12 PM

Except for the girl who broke her shower curtain. She can stay.

Cinderblock 27,578 25
02/16/2010 01:49 PM

I believe that the universe was started when god, who's really an abortion doctor, gave the cosmos an abortion, and the medical waste that he scraped out of the cosmos's uterus became the universe. Everything we know is just a speck of fetus in a red biohazard bag.

TEACH MY CREATIONIST IDEALS IN SCHOOL, BITCHES!

dasypygal-unwaxed 14,803 17
02/16/2010 02:40 PM

Case in point, lightning and thunder:

Attributed by religion to an angry God


Dang it! I was told it was Mickey Mouse bowling. Now I don't know what the Frost to believe. Thanks alot Emersons!

Crusty Ninja 32 6
02/16/2010 09:20 PM

Please explain to me how they are assumptions. I'm using scientific evidence that has been discovered about the universe.

You're saying that just because there are some anomalies in the timeline of...time, that there has to be a god behind it. I mean, can you say that you witnessed these things happening? If not, there's no way you could tell us that a god HAD to do it. I'm not saying there is no chance of there being a god, I'm just saying that what you say is "evidence", isn't really evidence.

I can has internet victory now?

Duke Ravos IV 63,472 21
02/16/2010 10:16 PM

When I find out that you only keep me around for my rack, I'm a going to be crushed.

I don't mind being crushed. If it is by your rack.

Shell Belle 77,143 25
02/16/2010 11:44 PM

Ahem.

Madness 4,366 10
02/17/2010 12:37 AM

JRR Tolkein would never say something like that to me!
FORGERY.

Taco Crunch: it's got electrolytes 61,976 36
02/17/2010 12:41 AM

While GISing for this picture:

This picture came up as well:


What the Frost, internets. WTF.

peoriagrace 6,166 11
02/17/2010 01:45 AM

I understand that less than half of the eminent scientist believe in the Big Bang theory. The Big Bang has not been proven at this time.

The assumptions of naturalism that underlie the scientific method have led some scientists, especially observationalists, to question whether the ultimate reason or source for the universe to exist can be answered in a scientific fashion. In particular, the principle of sufficient reason seems to indicate that there should be such an explanation, but whether a satisfactory explanation can be obtained through scientific inquiry is debatable. A scientific examination of cosmogony using existing physical models would face many challenges. For example, equations used to develop models of the origin do not in themselves explain how the conditions of the universe that the equations model came to be in the first place.

Theistic explanations for origins indicate one or more supernatural beings as the explanation, though atheist commentators often point to this as an argument from ignorance or a God of the gaps fallacy, and that such an assumption provides no explanation for existence of the deity. Nondual explanations by contrast state that the very question is misleading, since it contains erroneous assumptions of beginnings, endings and the nature of existence itself, and consider the visible universe as phenomenology.

As a result of this, scientific cosmogonies are sometimes supplemented by reference to metaphysical and theistic belief systems. The problem can be summarized as three classical paradoxes. These paradoxes (discussed by both Kierkegaard and Leibniz) are:

reconciling a doctrine of causation (similar to the 13th century proof of God posed by Thomas Aquinas);
reconciling the conservation law ("something from nothing");
reconciling issues of temporal (as in Zeno's paradoxes) and logical regression.
However, some of the metaphysical principles used to formulate these classical paradoxes no longer enjoy an unchallenged status as laws of thought. For instance, quantum mechanics gives an independent motivation to challenge the principle of sufficient reason.

KChiki - Still not Chi Chi! 128,446 98
02/17/2010 01:48 AM

Yeeeeaaaaaaaaaaah I just skipped all of that. Thanksyerapeach!

Cyco Ivan 11,330 11
02/17/2010 02:25 AM

Besides, Kikergaard never said any of that. That was Dick Van Patten [Wayne Campbell, 1992]

The Write Straw 98,023 37
02/17/2010 03:29 AM

The little bobblehead turtle I got in San Antonio last week keeps shaking its head at me. Clearly this means that the air circulation in my office is pretty good I need to repent.

Brad Poynter 36,184 48
02/17/2010 03:37 AM

I would repent but I don't remember penting in the first place.

Cyco Ivan 11,330 11
02/17/2010 03:42 AM

Anyone else find it highly coincidental that Jesus looks like Jack Black?

Madness 4,366 10
02/17/2010 03:47 AM

Not in the slightest.

Jesus would listen to Manowar.

Shell Belle 77,143 25
02/17/2010 04:08 AM

I know how we can end this argument once and for all. Just ask Larry King how it happened. He was there.

peoriagrace 6,166 11
02/17/2010 12:12 PM

I left you guys an opening. It's in the first 3 or 4 sentences.

Taco Crunch: it's got electrolytes 61,976 36
02/17/2010 12:50 PM

I left you guys an opening.

That's what she said.

Taco Crunch: it's got electrolytes 61,976 36
02/17/2010 12:51 PM

Seriously though, nobody cares.

Blue Suede Shempxistential Blues 22,222 17
02/17/2010 02:54 PM

What if God was one of us, just a slob like one of us?

Blue Suede Shempxistential Blues 22,222 17
02/17/2010 03:08 PM

A reasonably bright 11th grader could calculate the distance from the earth to the sun, even if s/he hasn't yet taken calculus or physics. So go smoke another bowl


Yeah the same 11th grader who, when s/he graduates a year later, can not point to Ohio on a map.



Ok, maybe the sun distance thing wasnt a good example.

But how about something like Dark Matter. Scientist say when they add all the stuff up in the visible universe,accoring to thier numbers, there is stuff missing, a lot of stuff. They cant see it, I cant see it, you cant see it. But because a bunch of guy's, who have been wrong about things before, say it's out there people believe.

I'm sure some bright 2nd grader can tell me how to quantify Dark Matter though. I know the scientist figured it out mathmatically. But that dont mean they are right. Scientist tweek thier variables all the time, to make things fit thier theory.

Believing in Dark Matter is kind of like believing in a God. You cant see, smell, touch, taste, or feel either.

Cinderblock 27,578 25
02/17/2010 03:23 PM

If I start a contentious thread, can I get the firestarter trophy, too?

OMG ABORTION IS AWESOME.

I like that Obama guy.

At least we can all agree that gay marriage should be legalized!

Sure, Sean Connery was a classic... but Pierce Brosnan really epitomized James Bond!

Duke Ravos IV 63,472 21
02/17/2010 10:37 PM

I left you guys an opening.

That's what she said.

...to Jesus.

Cyco Ivan 11,330 11
02/18/2010 12:56 AM

Cinder I agreed with you up until this:

Sure, Sean Connery was a classic... but Pierce Brosnan really epitomized James Bond!

to which I have to say YOU SHUT YOUR WHORE MOUTH!

Cyco Ivan 11,330 11
02/18/2010 01:18 AM

You know what really makes this thread Frost-ing hilarious? All the religious references bring up Scientology google ads.

peoriagrace 6,166 11
02/18/2010 01:59 AM

I understand that less than half of the eminent scientist believe in the Big Bang theory.

Who is this eminent scientist; and which half upper or lower?